So What’s the Deal with Samaje Perine, Really?
January 22, 2018
by Steve Thomas
Samaje Perine is a player who came to Washington in the 2017 draft with high hopes that he could become the feature back that this team has been looking for since Alfred Morris’ fantastic 2012 rookie campaign. In the end, his 2017 season with the Redskins was one that featured flashes and brief moments of that potential some saw in him, but had far more stretches of frustration and disappointment. We’re therefore left with an open question as to his future place with this team. In other words, he’s the perfect candidate for one of my famous “So What’s the Deal with . . .” columns[1].
For those of you who are new this series, the purpose of this column is not to be a film study of this player – it’s intended to be an in-depth look at Perine’s statistical performance[2], dating back to his college days at Oklahoma, through his performance in the NFL, in comparison to his peers. The goal is to see whether his past production can give us all some insight into his future performance and place with the team. If you want to see a film study of Samaje, speak up and we might do one in the future, but this isn’t it. Make sense? Good. Now, let’s get on with it.
College
Perine played for the University of Oklahoma from 2014 – 2016 alongside the much heralded but controversial running back Joe Mixon, who is now with the Cincinnati Bengals. In terms of raw production, Perine rushed for a total of 4,122 yards on 685 attempts, for 6.0 yards per carry, and 49 touchdowns in 36 games. He also had 40 receptions for 321 yards and 2 additional touchdowns. In general, this is very solid production and an accomplished background for an NFL running back. However, his performance did decline throughout his time at Oklahoma. This is the breakdown of his three collegiate years:
Yr Gms Att Att/Gm[3] Yds YPC TDs Rec Rcving Yds Rcving TDs
14 13 263 20.2 1,713 6.5 21 15 108 0
15 13 226 17.4 1,349 6.0 16 15 107 1
16 10 196 19.6 1.060 5.4 12 10 106 1
What jumps out upon looking at these numbers is that Perine’s effectiveness declined each year despite roughly the same usage rate. I suspect that this trend is one of the reasons why Perine lasted until the 4th round despite an elite start to his collegiate career. His average yards per carry fell more than an entire yard between 2014 and 2016[4], his carries declined, and his total rushing yards fell. How did his final season compare to his peers? The chart below shows the top rushing yardages in Division 1 college football (I know it’s actually called “FCS” now; don’t @ me) for 2016:
Rank | Player | School | G | Att | Yds | Avg |
1 | Donnel Pumphrey | San Diego State | 14 | 349 | 2133 | 6.1 |
2 | D’Onta Foreman | Texas | 11 | 323 | 2028 | 6.3 |
3 | Brian Hill | Wyoming | 14 | 349 | 1860 | 5.3 |
4 | Aaron Jones | Texas-El Paso | 12 | 229 | 1773 | 7.7 |
5 | Dalvin Cook | Florida State | 13 | 288 | 1765 | 6.1 |
6 | Jeremy McNichols | Boise State | 13 | 314 | 1709 | 5.4 |
7 | James Flanders | Tulsa | 13 | 258 | 1629 | 6.3 |
8 | Anthony Wales | Western Kentucky | 13 | 237 | 1621 | 6.8 |
9 | Christian McCaffrey | Stanford | 11 | 253 | 1603 | 6.3 |
10 | Lamar Jackson | Louisville | 13 | 260 | 1571 | 6.0 |
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56 | Samaje Perine | Oklahoma | 10 | 196 | 1060 | 5.4 |
As you can see, Perine was not highly ranked in total yardage; however, this is due to injuries and the presence of Joe Mixon with the Sooners, so this by itself is not particularly insightful. Yards per carry, though, is far more useful. The following chart shows 2016’s top college rushers by yards per carry for those who had 100 or more carries:
Rank | Player | School | G | Att | Yds | Avg |
1 | Ty Johnson | Maryland | 13 | 110 | 1004 | 9.1 |
2 | Teriyon Gipson | New Mexico | 11 | 145 | 1269 | 8.8 |
3 | Tyrone Owens | New Mexico | 12 | 137 | 1097 | 8.0 |
4 | Quinton Flowers | South Florida | 13 | 198 | 1530 | 7.7 |
4 | Aaron Jones | Texas-El Paso | 12 | 229 | 1773 | 7.7 |
6 | Tony Brooks-James | Oregon | 12 | 101 | 771 | 7.6 |
6 | Derrius Guice | Louisiana State | 12 | 183 | 1387 | 7.6 |
8 | Lavon Coleman | Washington | 14 | 114 | 852 | 7.5 |
8 | Rashaad Penny | San Diego State | 14 | 136 | 1018 | 7.5 |
10 | Justin Crawford | West Virginia | 13 | 163 | 1184 | 7.3 |
11 | Brandon Dawkins | Arizona | 10 | 131 | 944 | 7.2 |
12 | Nick Fitzgerald | Miss St | 13 | 195 | 1375 | 7.1 |
12 | Damien Harris | Alabama | 15 | 146 | 1037 | 7.1 |
12 | Bryce Love | Stanford | 12 | 111 | 783 | 7.1 |
15 | Damarea Crockett | Missouri | 11 | 153 | 1062 | 6.9 |
81 |
……
Samaje Perine |
Oklahoma | 10 | 196 | 1060 | 5.4 |
Perine’s yards per carry fell from a roughly top 25 ranking in 2014 all the way to 81st in 2016, which is downright average. This tells us that the NFL should have been, and probably was, concerned during 2017 draft scouting about his projection into the pros. Is Perine the elite college back of 2014 or is he the merely good one of 2016 despite playing in the defense-deficient Big 12? Was this decline due to the cumulative effect of 489 carries over the prior two seasons or was it the result of specific injuries? Did NFL scouts see something on film that explained this decline?
NFL
This is Perine’s 2017 production for the Redskins:
Rcving | Rcving | ||||||||||||
Gms | Starts | Att | Yds | TD | Y/A | Tgts | Rec | Yds | Y/R | TD | Yds Scrmg | ||
16 | 8 | 175 | 603 | 1 | 3.4 | 24 | 22 | 182 | 8.3 | 1 | 785 |
Perine became the full-time starter in game 10 against the Saints after the injury to Rob Kelley the week before. Chris Thompson was injured in the Saints game. In the 7 games Samaje started, he rushed for 100 or more yards twice, once against the Saints and then again the following week against the Giants. He averaged 5.1 yards per carry against the Saints and 4.2 yards per carry against the Giants. In the final 5 games of the season, Perine had a combined 62 carries for 176 yards, which is 2.8 yards per carry.
How did Perine stack up against other NFL running backs? I don’t need to publish a chart to tell you that 603 rushing yards on the season doesn’t rank very high – it’s 31st in the NFL, ironically just one spot behind Joe Mixon, who gained 626 rushing yards. There’s also no need to demonstrate that 3.4 yards per carry for a season isn’t very good, either. Here are 2017’s top 10 in yards per carry for backs with 100 or more carries (rounded to the nearest tenth):
Rank | Player | Tm | Att | Yds | Y/A |
1 | Alvin Kamara | NOR | 120 | 728 | 6.1 |
2 | Dion Lewis | NWE | 180 | 896 | 5.0 |
3 | Mark Ingram | NOR | 230 | 1124 | 4.9 |
3 | Kareem Hunt | KAN | 272 | 1327 | 4.9 |
5 | Kenyan Drake | MIA | 133 | 644 | 4.8 |
5 | Alfred Morris | DAL | 115 | 547 | 4.8 |
6 | Todd Gurley | LAR | 279 | 1305 | 4.7 |
7 | Alex Collins | BAL | 212 | 973 | 4.6 |
10 | LeGarrette Blount | PHI | 173 | 766 | 4.4 |
10 | Matt Breida | SFO | 105 | 465 | 4.4 |
10 | Devonta Freeman | ATL | 196 | 865 | 4.4 |
10 | Orleans Darkwa | NYG | 171 | 751 | 4.4 |
10 | Giovani Bernard | CIN | 105 | 458 | 4.4 |
When sorted to just include rookie running backs, the yardage list narrows to the following:
Rank | Player | Rd Drafted | Tm | G | Att | Yds |
1 | Kareem Hunt | 3 | KAN | 16 | 272 | 1327 |
2 | Leonard Fournette | 1 | JAX | 13 | 268 | 1040 |
3 | Alvin Kamara | 3 | NOR | 16 | 120 | 728 |
4 | Joe Mixon | 2 | CIN | 14 | 178 | 626 |
5 | Samaje Perine | 4 | WAS | 16 | 175 | 603 |
6 | Jamaal Williams | 4 | GNB | 16 | 153 | 556 |
7 | Wayne Gallman | 4 | NYG | 13 | 111 | 476 |
8 | Matt Breida | und | SFO | 16 | 105 | 465 |
9 | Aaron Jones | 5 | GNB | 12 | 81 | 448 |
10 | Christian McCaffrey | 1 | CAR | 16 | 117 | 435 |
By this measure, Perine looks like one of the NFL’s more productive rookie backs. However, take a look at what happens when we adjust this list again to show the average yards per carry on the season for rookies with 50 or more carries:
Rank |
Player | Rd Drafted | Tm | Att | Yds | Y/A |
1 | Alvin Kamara | 3 | NOR | 120 | 728 | 6.07 |
2 | Aaron Jones | 5 | GNB | 81 | 448 | 5.53 |
3 | Kareem Hunt | 3 | KAN | 272 | 1327 | 4.88 |
4 | Dalvin Cook | 2 | MIN | 74 | 354 | 4.78 |
5 | Matt Breida | und | SFO | 105 | 465 | 4.43 |
6 | Corey Clement | und | PHI | 74 | 321 | 4.34 |
7 | Wayne Gallman | 4 | NYG | 111 | 476 | 4.29 |
8 | Tarik Cohen | 4 | CHI | 87 | 370 | 4.25 |
9 | D’Onta Foreman | 3 | HOU | 78 | 327 | 4.19 |
10 | Leonard Fournette | 1 | JAX | 268 | 1040 | 3.88 |
11 | Marlon Mack | 4 | IND | 93 | 358 | 3.85 |
12 | Christian McCaffrey | 1 | CAR | 117 | 435 | 3.72 |
13 | Jamaal Williams | 4 | GNB | 153 | 556 | 3.63 |
14 | Elijah McGuire | 6 | NYJ | 88 | 315 | 3.58 |
15 | Joe Mixon | 2 | CIN | 178 | 626 | 3.52 |
16 | Samaje Perine | 4 | WAS | 175 | 603 | 3.45 |
This is the entire list. I haven’t arbitrarily cut off the list – only 16 rookie running backs had 50 or more carries. Look who is 16th and last: Samaje Perine. Not only that, but as mentioned above, his production became progressively worse in the final 5 games of the year. In other words, of the rookie running backs who got significant playing time this season, Perine was the least productive over the course of the entire season. Certainly, Redskins injuries along the offensive line and the lack of threats in the passing game were both hindrances to Perine’s ability to be productive on the ground – the injury situation was a crisis, particularly along the offensive line. But can those injuries make up for this lack of success in comparison to his fellow rookies?
Taking Perine’s stats from his 7 starts and projecting them to a full 16 games, his numbers would look like this: 249.6 carries, 898.6 yards, 3.6 yards per carry – still not great, but slightly more palatable than his actual season numbers. He would have ranked third amongst rookies in total rushing yards under that projection. Remember Kamara, Hunt, and Fournette, at a minimum, all got significantly more playing time in all 16 games over the course of the season than did Perine.
It is somewhat axiomatic that in today’s NFL that the feature back must also be able to produce as a receiver. This season, 5 rookies produced significantly more than the others in the air, with the Saints’ Alvin Kamara running away from everyone else as the leader:
Rank | Player | Draft | Tm | G | Tgt | Rec | Yds | Y/R | Ctch% |
1 | Alvin Kamara | 3 | NOR | 16 | 100 | 81 | 826 | 10.2 | 81.00% |
2 | Christian McCaffrey | 1 | CAR | 16 | 113 | 80 | 651 | 8.14 | 70.80% |
3 | Tarik Cohen | 4 | CHI | 16 | 71 | 53 | 358 | 6.75 | 74.60% |
4 | Kareem Hunt | 3 | KAN | 16 | 63 | 53 | 455 | 8.58 | 84.10% |
5 | Leonard Fournette | 1 | JAX | 13 | 48 | 36 | 302 | 8.39 | 75.00% |
…… | |||||||||
10 | Samaje Perine | 4 | WAS | 16 | 24 | 22 | 182 | 8.27 | 91.70% |
Samaje did fine with making the most of the targets he was given, but he was not a threat out of the backfield. 18 of his 24 targets, and 17 of his 22 receptions, came when he started the final 7 weeks of the season, meaning that he averaged 2.6 targets and 2.3 receptions per game. Had he started a full 16 games, Perine would have been on a pace for 42 targets, 37 receptions, and 306 yards – in other words, roughly 5th or 6th among rookie running backs in the passing game. Decent; not great.
Fumbles
I chose not to address fumbles in this column. Perine was officially charged with two fumbles this season, but quarterback Kirk Cousins was charged with other turnovers that took place during Cousins – Perine handoffs that appeared to be more the fault of Perine. Perine’s turnovers bears watching, at least.
What does all of this really mean?
If I had told you before the season that a Redskins rookie running back would start 16 games, rush for 900 yards on 250 carries at 3.6 yards per carry and catch 37 passes for 300 yards behind an offensive line that was chronically injured for three-fourths of the season and had to use 26 different player combinations, would you accept it as a decent first year? I would, for a 4th round rookie. But is it special? Absolutely not. This statistical analysis roughly matches with what Perine showed on film over the course of 16 games; that is, a guy who had his moments, isn’t as bad as some (for example, me, on The Hog Sty Podcast, at various times) made him out to be, he didn’t show enough to make anyone think he could become an elite-level feature back. Combine his first year production with what we saw out of him in college, which started out at an elite level, but by the third year had declined down to slightly above average, and we have a back who has not demonstrated that he will be able to progress to the point at which the Redskins can forego bringing other backs and can rely on Perine to be the feature back they need. The Redskins probably need to continue to hunt for a #1 running back.
What do you think? Let us know in the comment section below.
[1] The others are Matt Jones (http://www.thehogsty.com/2016/03/12/so-whats-the-deal-with-matt-jones-really/), Rob Kelley (http://www.thehogsty.com/2017/04/11/so-whats-the-deal-with-rob-kelley-really/), Jordan Reed (http://www.thehogsty.com/2017/06/12/so-whats-the-deal-with-jordan-reed-really/), Terrelle Pryor (http://www.thehogsty.com/2017/08/08/so-whats-the-deal-with-terrelle-pryor-really/), and Ryan Grant (http://www.thehogsty.com/2017/08/28/so-whats-the-deal-with-ryan-grant-really/).
[2] All data is courtesy of www.pro-football-reference.com unless otherwise indicated.
[3] Average attempts per game is not a Pro Football Reference stat. It is my calculation.
[4] Perine missed three games in 2016 due to injury.
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Round 1 Pick 15 (ARI): DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama (B)
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I don’t think the Cowboys have ever let go of an 88 though, have they?
And they seem to have a large collection of 8-8’s as well.
Already eating $13.7m in dead cap for 2018 though.
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Don’t give that locker room anything that they can twist into thinking they’ve been disrespected.
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Your score is: 18734 (GRADE: B)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 13: Vita Vea, DT, Washington (B-)
Round 2 Pick 12: James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State (A)
Round 3 Pick 14: K.J. Malone, OG, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 13: Leighton Vander Esch, ILB, Boise State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Bo Scarbrough, RB, Alabama (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Justin Lawler, DE, Southern Methodist (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Du’Vonta Lampkin, DT, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: J.T. Barrett, QB, Ohio State (A)
I’ve picked every player realistically that would be available to us at 13 and I never get an A grade. Always a B. QB, RB, WR, DL, FS, CB. All Bs.
B- for Vea at 13 means, his stock is slipping.
Or the people at this site have no idea what their talking about I got a B for Payne also.,
Following the recent Slayer news, Neil Diamond has announced he will retire from touring, as he’s been diagnosed with Parkinson’s.
Damn. That’s a real blow to the Slayer/Neil Diamond fans. Lots of overlap there. Naturally.
I’ll never forget my first Slayer/Neil Diamond concert.
The thrash version of Sweet Caroline…epic
My neck hurt so much after Song Sung Blue
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D-line is so deep in this draft I have seen mock’s with Payne lasting until the 2nd round. That would be crazy.
I’ll take the under on that one, lol.
Latest Joe Rogan has Mel Gibson on. He’s on there with a (intravenous) stem cell doc. Interesting stuff.
FDA and Big Pharma keeping us down!
*lights torch*
Something you don’t know about me Joe Rogan……….I smoke rocks.
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in all seriousness, we are getting left behind in terms of science in this area because of regulations… Doc has to fly patients down to Panama for treatments
Kabul. Not a place I’d like to go.
As a rule, if there’s no bacon…I won’t travel there.
But they make goat bacon.
I doubt that there’s much salt curing going on there.
If there’s a run on QBs and RBs like Barkley early, then the Redskins will have some great options at getting the best DL/OL candidates on the board.
Ikr?
– 2017
That was amazing. Jonathan Allen at #17? Still unbelievable.
Flounder do you know LIz Robb and Monique Martin?
By reputation.
I was at some RM party and was burning a joint with Liz and Monique in a back yard and they both blew me.
Love those RM chicks.
LOL
RM?
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Dude this was almost 30 years ago.
sure…. i get that. still funny
I thought he meant two chicks from the remedial math class…..
really massive
Lol
They were both hot.
im jk bro
Was funny though because Liz’s brother Greg was a buddy of mine. But I forgot all about that while she and Monique were tongue wrestling my Woodrow Wilson while I toked away.
Figured Flounder knew all these people.
shit, my buds sisters were always the best place to get some tail in HS
Foles will be a very attractive TRADE option for some team. He’s under contract for for $7.6 in ’18.
why not us?
Jesus, it wasn’t that long ago when drafted players were forgotten about for 2-3 years because that’s how long it took them to be ready to play and contribute. Now we have 6th round rookie RB’s rush for 1600 yards.
Bigger, stronger, faster……….cheaper?
BPAD round 1
BPADL round 2 and 3
BPAOL 4
BPA 5
BPA 6
BPA 7
Wonder how Foles would do in Gruden’s system?
I still haven’t excepted that he’s changed for the better, it’s SHOCKING
He’s tall, has an awesome deep ball, and now has that veteran mentality. If he somehow pulls off the impossible and wins a SB….his value will be very high.
Sure, it’s just a big turnaround.
I’m not sold yet. The guy has always had the ability to put together a few very good games, but he’s been wildly inconsistent … EXCEPT in that miraculous 2013 season.
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He went to the Jeff Fisher Rams. He had no chance to succeed there. I’d gladly have him start on this team. Problem is they won’t explore that option. Kid has a good head on his shoulders a lot like Kirk in the film room.
He also played in Philly in 2014 and for KC. In KC he had one very good game in relief, and then one meh game. This year in the regular season he had a great game against the Giants and then a terrible game against Oakland.
He’d be pretty good I bet but I would have been factoring in his cost as well. That will go up substantially in 2018.
I’m still blown away at how Nick Foles played in the NFC Championship game. I knew he could still play. Gonna be hard for him to play backup QB next season behind Wentz. Philly will move him for a pick of some kind.
Well he has no choice but I agree they would be smart to move him as his value to other teams will never be higher than after the super bowl.
One reason I am a snob about a QB being at LEAST 6’4″.
Maybe Kirk should go on a walk-a-bout, find himself…….
Tell him I not gonna marry RICHARD!
Senior Bowl practices start today. It’s cool that Mayfield and Allen are participating. Lots of good players to watch.
Allen could move himself into the top 10 if he puts on a good show.
It’s possible. Hell, since Cleveland picks twice in the top 5 he could go anywhere.
And then there’s the 53 man roster with 46 active plus the PS. Skins will likely keep 6 DL with 1 inactive each week and PS another that will have to be a low rounder/UDFA.
Draft BPA’s and work the numbers afterwards. Cap casualties are what they are. I mean, you can’t be in the war room saying ‘if we draft so-n-so, we’ll have a dead money issue so let’s take a different player at another position.’
Bingo!
Huh? No no. I signed all those guys just last year. I’m not eating that money any time soon.
– BA
Agree. You don’t draft guys imagining that they’re going to immediately replace a starter, with the possible exception of 1st round picks.
Well the premise was draft 4 new d-line guys so that is what I was talking about with the dead cap issues as we will only keep 6 d-line guys.
That’s a fantasy. I’d be surprised if they drafted two DTs.
Yeah agreed I was playing along with the fantasy.
I mean, I gave the HC an extension. Guaranteed money. And now we’re stuck with him while great candidates go to other teams.
And you think I’m going to draft BPA and not worry about dead cap loot?
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Extension, schmension. I got a 2-year extension and then got fired 2 weeks later.
– Jeff Fisher
^This
No. Not that.
Major difference is, Fisher was at the end of his then current deal. BA extended Gruden before his 4th season even started.
The Rams were on the hook for just two seasons. The Skins, if they fired Jay today, owe him through 2020.
Please point out which time the Redskins were afraid to fire a coach with years remaining on his deal?
I’ll hang up and listen.
You use Fisher time and time again. But it was only two years on the deal when they canned him so soon after being extended.
It’s a poor example.
Well then why not use Marty? The Skins canned him with 4 years left on his contract?
The point is, it happens. And it happens a lot with the Redskins. So…yeah.
Of course it happens. But the dollars matter.
The FO isn’t going to pay someone $20 million to get rid of the guy.
$5 – 10 million, sure. But not $20m
They could have fired Jay without issue, that money doesn’t count on the cap.
It was an example of the workings of the financial mind that is steering the team
Draft BPA is funny because you have to use more criteria then that. What if the BPA every time you pick is a WR’s or o-line guy that would make for a pretty bad draft.
Not if they are really the best players available. Every team needs the best players they can get and avoid the notion of passing up the best player available because of whatever position they play.
Right so draft 7 WR’s that makes sense
You really think that would happen, don’t you? Poor Skippy.
No and that is why teams don;t just draft straight BPA their is always more to it then that.
I think we all know that. My point is that a team’s main goal is to accumulate the best players available and over time, the roster will be full of great players and managing those will become an exercise that will give us a better and better roster of talent.
Of course there’s some wiggle room, and ‘BPA’ is a matter of opinion much of the time. Hence the need for a FO with vision and a plan, supported by scouting.
Yes it’s never as simple as BPA.
A sound, graded draft board. Players seperated by a point or two is one thing, 5 points for ‘need’ or ‘cap considerations’ is another.
Where do we find one of those?
Happy Hour?
They’re easy to find at happy hour!
Maybe with the team that signs Kirk maybe you can follow him and post on their blog.
Who pissed in your corn flakes bro? Good morning Flounder. LOL
This Jordan Reed thing is a tough one to decide on. Keep him for 10.1mil and hope he can play in more then half the games or cut him and save 4.7mil. My issue is he will most likely end up with the Pats and play a full 16 game season.
But if he would continue to be unavailable for us, who give s shit?
True
I don’t question Jordan’s desire to play, but staying healthy has been an issue. If he doesn’t show up healthy, I could see making a move for Eifert in FA or possibly looking at Mark Andrews in the 2nd round. Reminds me of Bavaro.
This clip is interesting, because it highlights good plays by Andrews, and some spectacular plays by Mayfield.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooLbLAU4pQ8&t=133s
So…..the 2012 draft.
With history as our star witness, I think it’s clear the best QB in that draft was Russell Wilson. I think it’s also very reasonable to say that the 2nd best QB in that draft was not Luck or RGIII but Kirk freaking Cousins.
These are the D-Line guys currently on the roster. Lets say for argument sake they keep 6 guys next year.
64 Francis, A.J. DL 6-5 337 27 3 Maryland
90 Hood, Ziggy DL 6-3 305 30 9 Missouri
98 Ioannidis, Matt DL 6-3 305 24 2 Temple
72 Lanier II, Anthony DL 6-6 286 24 2 Alabama A&M
97 McClain, Terrell DL 6-2 302 29 7 South Florida
92 McGee, Stacy DL 6-3 341 28 5 Oklahoma
95 Allen, Jonathan DL 6-3 288 23 R Alabama
99 Taylor Sr., Phil DL 6-3 343 29 5 Baylor
Allen, Ioannidis and Lanier are obvious keepers.
You can cut the rest for what would amount to a 7-8mil dead cap hit but that is still cheaper than if they were on the team. They will cost almost 10mil if they play next year.
If you replace them with rookies then it’s a net win in my opinion.
I really want to see if Phil Taylor has been preparing to come back healthy. I knew it was too good to be true though. When he was in and healthy, we had a D-line that was hard to run against.
Hood can be replaced by a rookie and we could get even better production. McGee is meh. McClain is meh. Francis gives us a solid rotational player but if he goes, I don’t care.
Hood would be a no brainer. Phil Taylor could get another shot, since he looked good before his injury and he’s cheap. McClain would actually cost money to cut, and he would be much cheaper to cut in 2019, so I think we have to keep him. McGee could be cut with some savings, but I think he’s actually not bad, so I’d give him another year as well.
Actually after looking at the numbers this morning it says McClain can be cut for only 3.7 mil not sure that is correct but that would be a savings.
The two salary cap sites have different numbers on McClain.
Yeah, I see that. But even if Overthecap is right, we’d only save about $1M by cutting him, and he’s worth at least $1M.
Well then you can’t draft all the rookie d-lineman Greg wants to draft.
$10M in dead money won’t be a problem…if we’re not paying $28M at QB.
Which we will not be….so……yeah. I hear ya. If we eat some dead money and get better players, fine by me and it should be fine by the team.
I can’t see it either. Just hopin’ for vision and a plan.
Agreed you can also make one a post June 1st cut and spread some of that out over two years.
Good point, the ol’ post June 1 move.
Daron Payne
Will Hernandez
Poona Ford
Deadrin Senat
Ain’t no body running on us after that
Yeah and what do you do with the dline you have now? You will only keep 6 guys max more like 5 though.
Keep Jon Allen obviously. Keep Lanier. Keep 300. Don’t really give a shit about the others in terms of staying or going.
Yeah well their are cap hits to let those guys go. About 9-10mil worth of dead cap space.
I would be fine with eating the dead cap space but that’s just me not sure how the Redskins feel about it.
If you believe in keeping someone who sucks for fear of dead money then you are actually lobbying for continued mediocrity.
You see that, don’t you?
Don’t you?
Yeah I said as much below but I don;t know how the Redskins will feel and that’s who matters.
Payne, Ioannidis, Allen, would be a disruptive front, backed by
Ford, Lanier, and AJ Francis/McGee/Other
I’m all for it you just have to eat the dead cap space.
Youth movement, baby
So a question this morning on talk radio was should we go after Case Keenum if we lose Kirk and Case is a FA?
I say no
Everyone said no. One dude said, “Helllll to the NO.”
LOL
I would pass.
Build a monster D, draft Jay’s guy at QB, shore up key needs on offense.
Amen
As much as I am tempted to take Da’Ron Payne at #13, I would probably take Quenton Nelson, assuming both would be available.
Draft is deep at DT, not so much at OL. And Nelson would put another Scherff next to TWill.
I wouldn’t be mad at that.
He is a mauler.
Something like this would make me pretty happy:
Round 1 Pick 13: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 12: Derrick Nnadi, DT, Florida State (B)
Round 3 Pick 14: Luke Falk, QB, Washington State (A)
Round 4 Pick 13: Auden Tate, WR, Florida State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Poona Ford, DT, Texas (A)
Round 6 Pick 14: Deatrick Nichols, CB, South Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Chris Worley, ILB, Ohio State (B)
Round 7 Pick 23: Kamryn Pettway, RB, Auburn (A-)
The problem is draft picks are uncertain
Yeah so are FA’s.
Ok things seem to be OK.
Wierd now I see other post something going on over here.
The night crew was noticing the same. Oddly, I haven’t. ‘Resfresh’ was recommended.
I don’t see anyone back on wapo nothing but trolls over there.
And yet the moment you “left”, it was like you’d never been there.
https://media.giphy.com/media/MRbDfpdMn8Cac/giphy.gif
Why Johnny Ringo……you look like someone just walked over your grave.
Say when…
Ringo: I was just foolin’ about.
Holliday: I wasn’t.
shay win
Good morning:
https://www.theonion.com/furloughed-bison-pour-back-into-national-parks-after-go-1822312564?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=The_Onion_facebook
We must be seeing the off season slow down.
What is going on this place has died down did people go back to Wapo?
No way. Its only 730….its early.
Off season slow down is all. It happens. And being as the place has zero pedestrian traffic….
Two weeks to the SB. FA not till the middle of March. Weeks more for the draft. And might as well accept now that the stretch between the draft and camp is going to a long long haul with lots of inactivity.
Bullmallarky, peeps are working. New Year, ect. Meetings this AM.
Mallarky what? Was just telling him things slow down here and there.
Back to work.
Thank goodness, got some much needed rain overnight and pre-dawn.
Happy Tuesday!
Hpy Hpy
Back at ya, 65!
Happah Happah
Good Morning
Morning flounder
What’s happenin’, fishy. Back to work?
Pat Shurmur officially announced as NYG head coach
So rumor has it that the Ginas are keeping Eli and scouting the draft for #2.
If you ask me Eli is some #2 so I’m happy to hear it.
Good, I hope they flop.
They’ll still beat us 🙁
Meet, Stuckie
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0533b7b145de230ab4f5bd360bde3392db098756a0b277c5c48e033241e93a5b.jpg
Strange Phenomenon Left Dog Stuck in Tree for Almost 60 Years Without Rotting
Poor fella
That story has it all. Dogs. Hunting. Timber.
So he chased a possum or a coon up a hollow tree?
Something
Looks like some demon dog trying to crawl out of the gateway to hell
That’s really weird
I detect a new default hamster icon!
Who let the dogs out?
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/U2BpHGpRvSpx.gif
Used to love this cartoon
Yeah, me too. I still have some of the books.
Slow night…
For you, k0n
https://thisisprobablyaninterestingblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/picture-4.png?w=720
Right on
Lol
Just had some fantastic deer backstrap overnighted to me by my sis. Even sent some Jalapeno and deer sausage processed for her by the Ohio Amish.
FYI Disqus is a Javascript app running in your browser
it can crap out and you don’t know it
if you refresh your browser (ie reload current page) it will start again and the “missing” comments will appear
usually is some sort of timeout error trying to talk to Disqus server
The gears on the page go ’round and ’round
Yeah, that’s what I was experiencing.
best looking Asian Brenda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Song#/media/File:Brenda_Song_2009_(Cropped).jpg
Later peeps, something’s not right!
You smokin’ that shit. Paranoid…
https://media.giphy.com/media/gkaDRS89iiqFW/giphy.gif
well if you don’t post anything nothing shows up
it’s how this whole thing works
Everyone’s in Brenda overload!
Test
Was just about to try the same thing… did someone break it?
Idk.
Were you guys unable to post? I don’t think the site crashed.
I hadn’t tried… just didn’t see any comments for a few hours… and that ain’t right
That ain’t right at all! I’m loving all the lively conversation. Even (especially) when it’s off topic. The gifs and videos are awesome.
Me too. Where is everyone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLEdpDpoTTA
Hey Nicky…….time to float…. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0e2d42a32651cef2874e8f276dda297169880f23544eda34f1aff1a86ae2c27a.jpg
here is a little more depth to Flounder’s comment on scouting services
BLESTO was centered in Pittsburgh and led by Jack Butler for years before he retired five years ago. Rob Kisiel was hired as his Butler’s replacement and the organization relocated to Jacksonville, Fla. Modrak, who initially broke into the NFL by working for Butler, is a logical replacement. While every NFL team relies on their own scouting department to ultimately guide their draft-day decisions, some clubs find that joining a scouting service such as BLESTO is an effective way of cutting down the hundreds of thousands of potential college prospects to watch to a more manageable number.
Membership responsibilities includes over $100,000 in annual dues and the assignment of at least one scout to the group. As scouts evaluate the current class of seniors visiting schools’ pro days, they often work out underclassmen for future draft years. This data and other information is presented at meetings (usually in Florida) about two weeks after the current draft. The BLESTO and National reports are published from these meetings. These reports serve as a both starting point for the lengthy evaluation process and also a rough guide as to where players are regarded by the group. Some teams assign their most junior scout to the job of BLESTO/National regional rep, and the best ones are usually promoted or headhunted away from the role in short stint.
What they (BLESTO) do is give us a breakdown on what each of those juniors is about, and how they categorize those guys draft wise. And that will help us narrow our focus. The BLESTO scouts will give us his information, here’s his lineage, here’s how he played , here’s what we thought about him when he played. Obviously, we had some scouts in on him, but we like to use that information resource as well, to get as much information on the players.
Brenda Asnicar
https://static.diariouno.com.ar/adjuntos/212/imagenes/018/814/0018814765.jpg
Brenda Lynn
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http://lab.sekaimon.com/img/fetch/i/280818451231
Chicharrones…are one weird snack.
I’m so hungry right now, but I’m too lazy to get food.
Alex, why is THS the only site I use that is in a constant state of loading?
Huh?
Well – I have something like 8 tabs open on my browser, but this one never quite finishes loading. It’s not an actual issue, but it’s weird 😛
Sad news for the Scamp household… Slayer is saying they’re going to call it quits after one more tour.
Meh… Slayer was the bottom rung of the Big Four in my mind. If you’ve heard one Slayer record you’ve heard them all. Great thrash band… just no variety to their music.
The sad truth is that Brenda Contreras may be the only attractive Brenda on the planet right now.
Brenda Song
https://i.imgur.com/zSIUhXl.jpg
Doesn’t count, she’s dating Macaulay Culkin, and therefore is not on this planet.
If that’s how you’re going to be….
Brenda Contreras doesn’t count because her first name is Ana.
well you got me there.
Brenda Lynn
Brenda Asnicar
Kon wins on account of visual evidence.
Hold that thought
When it comes to the appreciation of a fine, fine looking woman…I like to think that we are all winners.
Greg, you need an avatar.
………….owl bait.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/23/article-2313377-1970E471000005DC-394_964x778.jpg
Walter is gonna get you, Greg…..
Nice. Great Gray Owl.
Cleveland Browns > Democratic Party
All scouting services do is give you scouting info on players as its to hard to scout all the players on your own. They don’t tell you who to draft and their not in the draft room with you. The majority of NFL teams use a scouting service.
Vermont has officially legalized the recreational sale of cannabis.
Pot, combined with maple candy….good time to be a dentist in Vermont.
Just love work intrigue
Gee they hired a new Senior Executive over in Dept X, wonder how that impacts our best user exec Bob?
Try to schedule meeting for our monthly review with Bob and his DR’s today. Bob is no longer in active directory. Finally one of Bob’s former DR’s tells me he got walked out last week after meeting with new Sr Exec. So I got new guy to invite I guess.
time to take my 40 minute drive home that takes 10 minutes non-rush hour
Years back I had to go to IT because I stayed so late my badge would not even let me leave the floor I was on.
The guy goes, “It could be one of two things.” and I asked, “Does it mean I’ve been canned?” and he replied…”It could be one of three things.”
LOL.
holy, moly. jags went from 3-13 to 10-6 and conference championship game.
Their QB was a JAG alright.
Imagine what you can do if you don’t send all your #1 picks for some lame ass QB and draft defensive studs
And choose good players with the picks you DO have.
That’s the rub.
I have only some faith that, had we not made that trade, that 2013’s – 15’s 1st round picks would be guys making a 1st round impact.
I have faith that shit is over and Shanny isn’t here anymore.
I have faith that it’s going to continue to come up for years.
they are kicking ass on the 5-year rebuild program.
The Jags have been rebuilding since 2008 and drafting near the top of the draft every year.
Of course along the way they used the No. 3 overall pick on Blake Bortles, which was a huge mistake. They didn’t cry about it. They made the most of him and carried on about their business.
Would like to know if McCloughan is consulting for any teams in terms of player reports/projections. I have to believe at least 1 team is interested in his take on this year’s draftable, new young talent.
There was a report last year, following his departure from the Skins FO, he had at least two NFL teams hire him for scouting services.
His company is called Instinctive Scouting.
He has a scouting service so multiple teams would use that.
What the F does that mean? Teams must use his service? Just because he has a service teams will hire him?
What the F does that mean Flunder?
Most teams use a scouting service it’s nothing new to the NFL, he has a service that I’m sure some teams use. What part is tripping you up?
Why can’t we get guys like Fletcher Cox and Mychael Kendricks
I wonder????
We can if we keep making smart draft picks.
You’re missing the point
What’s the point?
IT’S RGIII’S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
God Lord that was 2012.
And those players are still helping their team
While we’re still trying to fill the holes from that trade
Minus the 2nd round. That was a whole draft. The only player still with the team last season was Cousins.
That crap trade, had nothing to do with the crappy picks made in the 2012 draft nor the choice to not retain the crappy players selected.
Even some one who’s mastabatory fantasies are fulfilled by him can see this
Dude, we’ve been over this a million times. RGIII’s role in drafting RGIII was what? ZERO!
You want to blame Snyder/BA/Shanny for making an idiotic trade, that’s fine and I agree 100%.
We went RG
Philadelphia drafted those guys who are playing and contributing to a possible championship
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/955427771269959680
Shoot me now.
FO’s go up and down.
A few mistakes and that narrative will change. The same guy running things now was put in a corner for Chip Kelley.
Keep in mind…they’re over their cap and no where close to retaining their FAs. Plus…drafting late. Plus, no picks in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Yeah they will have a lot of issues this off season.
we’ve been saying the same thing about Cowboys and the result of cutting Romo. Never happened. Then we said the same thing with their defense. never happened….but hope is a strategy…
Cowboys went from 13-3 to 9-7, so….?
talking about the subject of their FO and salary cap issues and presuming they’ll have off-season issues.
“Yuge news: Kirk Cousins shoots Super Bowl commercial with fake Trump”
There’s a reasonable chance Kirk Cousins’s final appearance in a Washington Redskins jersey will be alongside a Donald Trump impersonator in a commercial for gas fireplaces that premieres while Nick Foles is leading the Philadelphia Eagles to their first Super Bowl title. Somehow, that isn’t fake news.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2018/01/19/yuge-news-kirk-cousins-shoots-super-bowl-commercial-with-fake-trump/?utm_term=.c3f3dfcc06fc
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i…. don’t even…. i, i…
It’s better than his other last performance in a Redskins jersey.
BOOM! Lol
Fuckin with the new guy
https://i.imgur.com/7Ai1ghN.gifv
ha ha ha ….hilarious
I’ve been sent to get “tools” that didn’t exist with crazy names, when I was a young and just starting out . Of course I passed it on when I became wiser .
When you know they’re messing with you, the thing to do is get in your car and leave. Come back an hour later with something, anything, and say ‘What? This isn’t it?’
Messing with the new guy was like an early Christmas . Then they up and ruined it with a human resource’s dept . Party poopers .
What the hell man! You’re supposed to be getting it from inside the pipe! Fuck sake!
Sources: Bucks fire head coach Jason Kidd
Jason Kidd has been fired as the Bucks’ coach with Milwaukee 23-22 this season, league sources told ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. Assistant Joe Prunty will be named interim coach.
https://twitter.com/PatMcManamon/status/955552639562985472
https://twitter.com/MasterTes/status/955536781881069568
bath room?
Boca Raton?
Baskin-Robbins. Congrats, man!
What’s he covering, billiards?
Now exclusively covering Ben Rothlisberger.
Bohemian Rhapsody
http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/22/news/companies/budweiser/index.html?sr=twCNN012218companies0400PMStory
It’s really depressing to me as a professional beer drinker to see the top 3 beers in the US are all light beers.
Fortunately, you can now pay with pretentiousness, so no worries 😉
wif….
https://www.amazon.com/Charlie-Peanuts-Stripe-Costume-T-Shirt/dp/B005XZIDZQ
omg, that’s funny. i’m totally going to get one. i’d like one where the pattern goes all the way around the shirt.
It’s crazy that the AFC doesn’t have an answer for the Patriots
The eagles though…that shit makes me want to drive to Ashburn and abduct BA off to parts unknown
I wonder if Eagles fans will get pelted with beer while tailgating in Minny? Payback’s a bitch.
Those people are sub human
Which is an insult to sub-humans
Most casual fans watch the SB up until half time to see the halftime show.
Idk any football fans that don’t watch the Superbowl.
Yeah, last game of the year for all the marbles. It’s can’t miss as far as I’m concerned.
I had 1 super bowl when I was in HS I turned it off because my GF wanted to fool around, but that’s the last time I’ve missed any part of a super bowl.
Well, I mean….
I missed 10 Super Bowls in a row courtesy of the United States Air Force.
Lbsand • 3 minutes ago
Eagles d-line very similar to the gints that took down the pats twice: they get serious pressure with 4, leaving 7 to cover.
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Jacksonville thought the same thing and it still took the giants a remarkable catch to win.
And win they did. Twice. Featuring a d-line that got pressure and hits. Easier said than done, but that was the game plan and it worked.
Kelly • 12 minutes ago
Zero celebration-related arrests in Philly last night. Impressive, but if the Pats get upset in the Super Bowl, I expect both cities to melt down.
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That’s not because the fans weren’t doing anything, it’s because the cops just didn’t arrest anyone.
does anybody ever watch or not watch the superb owl based on who the teams are?
I’ma post that picture of you again….
“again”? did i miss something?
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f8aedc12bc9ad95994c1b0337b2d4cc700d189300d23988a8a37de5b91b24570.jpg
ah, yes…. at least i’m not a browns fan.
I chuckled when I read that post of your’s.
actually, i am now on a pursuit of a shirt like that. that’s a really funny shirt. so instantly recognizable.
Have at it. All I did was add text and a “vintage” filter.
🙂
I watch no matter who is playing.
I’m on the fence.
While the thought of the iggles losing interests me, the alternative might just make me throw up.
Eagles d-line very similar to the gints that took down the pats twice: they get serious pressure with 4, leaving 7 to cover.
Casual NFL fan interest in a pats/iggles super bowl is non-existent.
I’m casually interested, tho.
My interest starts and stops with philthy fans jumping off the Benjamin Franklin bridge after a SB loss.
Casual NFL fans are not interested in anything.
Not even spelunking?
only casually
Zero celebration-related arrests in Philly last night. Impressive, but if the Pats get upset in the Super Bowl, I expect both cities to melt down.
one will melt
the other will burn
The cops stayed in. Shrewd move.
It’s not classified as an arrest if they just don’t book you. my friend was never arrested by the cops but got robbed a few times by cops rather than face arrest. Basically they catch you doing something small, take the money out of your wallet and let you go.
that’s why I only keep Nepalese coinage on my person
Well 1 time they also took the box of wine he had with him. He was 19. So he figured cops taking your cash and booze is better than something that could get you kicked out of school
You do realize, they’d not let that go unpunished. Yea?
He’ll pay…..one way, or the other.
holy f-ing ish. that wave must be 90 feet high:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5298959/Surfer-takes-giant-wave-coast-Portugal.html#ixzz54wo1EVQq
7-9 is 7-9…but when 13 starters or heavy contributors are on I-R, it’s a factor.
Or fracture, depending…
Agreed
How to know if Walter has been in your neighborhood…
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He couldn’t help himself.
His family has taken to keeping the blinds closed. And, only leaves the house at night.
that’s funny. nice work. simple. funny.
Wait why do I suddenly have an avatar
And what is it
hamster
Intredasting
You look like D_C, now. Could be kin.
Zing!
new default
Haha
I created a default avatar over the weekend.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e552624f8e0c61884174c52a1da3d84acc424ce1516b1ef82079f3de5264fce.jpg
Highest playoff qb rating in history min 75 passes thrown??
Foles?
Bingo
But he’s not all that good. Right?
He had one fantastic game and one pretty good game.
Both better than any game Cousins has ever had.
The playoffs, are that big.
Nonsense.
Playoffs
he had a decent game in 2013 as well, he did not appear in the playoff game in 2016 (KC)
in 2013, he had a 119 QB rating in the regular season
the answer to any playoff qb question is “brady”.
I don’t really want to go there, but danged if it didn’t feel like they got a few important hometown calls from the refs
it prob should have been 14-6 at the half, but even then, they prob still win in OT
I’m going with Montana
It has been more than a generation — 26 years, to be precise — since the Washington Redskins reached the Super Bowl. For fans invested in the team’s return, it was impossible not to view Sunday’s conference championships without noticing what the Philadelphia Eagles and New England Patriots have that the Redskins lack.
The conclusion was twofold and doubly dispiriting: The 2017 Redskins that finished 7-9 are far more than one position away from contending for an NFC championship. And no matter how many holes Washington’s front-office plugs, it’s doubtful the Redskins will reclaim their fading NFL glory until business decisions no longer trump football ones.
copied from that, err, other place we used to go…
an indication of just how beat-down we are is that we were pleased with 9-7. pleased. we had arguments over whether 8-7-1 was a “winning season”. how pathetic are we, and our team?
Delusional. Some peeps truly are. We fans tend to over value “our” players and don’t critique them with a cold eye, (as Moe would say)
I would guess that the facilities are still far below what major college football has and far below the leading edge for the NFL
We have improved position coaching it seems in some areas
starting WRs were woeful, as is the running game, especially in terms of getting 1-2 yards when one needed it
need better before season prep
but on the other hand, the second looked solid, and the DL was improved
If there is one place where we might be over-rating our team, it is probably the OL, they are prob good for pass pro, but prob not as good as we’d rate them
i understand some libertarian-leaning and small-government folks might be “pleased” with the govt shutdown. that’ll show them and blah, blah, blah…. why? most of them are going to get paid back pay when they get back, FOR DOING NOTHING. a shutdown should be a small-govt person’s worst nightmare. they get time off and they get paid for it. you can complain about the inefficiency while they’re working, but now, you’re paying them the same amount NOT to work.
Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii is one of my favorite elected officials. Whenever the government shuts down, she donates her pay from that time period to charity.
I read that! Kudos to her!
Ahh, so from the other day…. doesn’t refuse it, but repurposes it. Question finally answered.
Yeah, I can’t imagine how hard it would be to explain to gov’t payroll that you only want part of your check
She’s pretty, also. Nice to see a Rep NOT on death’s door.
Not afraid to get in on a pic with guys like us regular folk
https://www.civilbeat.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-07-02-at-2.12.00-PM.png
Mmmmmmmm, blue jeans
I knew you’d like that
“does not compute does not compute does not compute!” Better to take it and then give it. Fuck the machine.
She’s an political insider favorite for a POTUS run from the populist progressive wing of the D’s in 20 or 24
the government is designed, in a way, to be inefficient; in addition to the political aspects,
it has to consider stakeholders that are otherwise considered externalities
OTOH, if you are a business, you want to have to consider the fewest number of externalities to you work/sales as possible; that is, you want your profit as large as possible and keep alternatives that have fewer external costs as expensive as possible
WTF Facts
@WTFFacts
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Scientists have found that babies sometimes cry at night to prevent their parents from making another baby.
my wife, youngest of 8, talks about the time her oldest sister learned that mom/dad were pregnant with their 2nd child. some nurse or whoever told my mother-in-law to pay attention to how the oldest daughter treated her dolls – and how that might indicate her feelings about the new baby.
on the way home from the hospital with the new baby, the oldest sister threw her doll out the window.
Who needs a toy doll when there’s a real baby on the way?
Glad to see that scientists have developed a way to determine the motivation of a baby.
It’s the same method Flounder uses to determine the motivations of various players and front-office personnel.
Damn this girl is badass.
“Are you listening, MSU? I’m 15 years old and I’m not afraid of you, nor will I ever be. At 15, I shouldn’t know the inside of a courtroom, but I’m going to become real comfortable in one. So should you. … I didn’t choose this circumstance. Nassar made that choice for us — your 20-year child-molesting employee. This is a burden at 15 I shouldn’t have to bear. But believe me MSU, bear I will.”
Emma Ann Miller
Apparently MSU clinic is still trying to bill the family for the appointment.
Damn awful that any of that was ever kept quiet.
But then, it’s not the first time that a sports program let shit like that happen in order to avoid negative publicity.
Put him in general population
Have justice metered out by the inmates
Never happen.
send him to FL we’re killing prisoners at a record rate
PC, he’s a celebrity. Book it.
Wow. That sure was one prolonged government shutdown.
it’ll happen again in 3 weeks as the Dems try to save face
One can only hope for that sort of comedy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWne37mf1Cw
Did he seriously think the train would stop? I hope he landed on the platform.
Why?
Cuz I’m not a monster. Although… it’s better on loop.
https://giant.gfycat.com/MiserlyThickArizonaalligatorlizard.webm
Lol
Just for sake that you wish that a very controlled number of the general population contracts ebola. While at the same, every gas line in a specific area erupts in flames (to control the spread of the virus of course)…doesn’t make you a monster.
At the time, I was cheering for ebola 😉
Trucked
That’s great
I think Perine did fine given the line he had to work with. Not great, not terrible.
Until we have a stable offensive line (which includes depth), I don’t think we can make a definitive assessment of anyone on the offense, except for being able to say whether or not they are capable of overcoming all the OL problems we had (Perine wasn’t).
Also, with CT going down, the Redskins didn’t have an effective change of pace at RB anymore. Defenses knew what they were going to get, until Bibbs started seeing action late.
Good writeup though, and as always, excellent data research from Steve.
Take our poll and give us responses so we can read them on the “air” https://twitter.com/TheHogSty/status/955515179713945602
◯ Eagles
◯ Patriots
⦻ Asteroid
Manufacturing rocket fuel as I type. (boiling water)
Allow me to start over. I was able to find some shotgun vs center run game stats over lunch, although not linked to average YPC. The Redskins ran out of shotgun just 18% of the time. I’ll keep looking.
https://twitter.com/TheHogSty/status/955515179713945602
Mr. Steve?
Oops. that was my other Discus account.
Sock Puppet Sock Puppet Sock Puppet Sock Puppet
More like accident. I almost never use that other account, but I kept it separate to keep west coast trolls away from here.
Hate West coast trolls almost as much as Illinois Nazis
Can only imagine how a blog full of Californians gets on with you politically 😛
Not well. But again, I almost never say anything. I logged in today because I checked my regular Dodgers blog at lunch, but didn’t say anything and then forgot to log out.
LakersFan713
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Steve’s personal rather than administrative account.
Yes. That’s what I use to post occasionally on Lakers and Dodgers blogs.
Either way….a recent, ex-Redskins will win a Super Bowl in two weeks.
Ricky Jean-Francois- N.E. Patriots
Nate Sudfeld- Philadelphia Eagles.
Hope RJF gets ring
Nate was a douche for taking the full salary offer from the Eagles
Can you blame him?
No I would have done the same thing
but from a fan POV it was a douche move going to another team in NFC East
Nate’s last second fade into the end zone…….PICKED!
He took the Eagles offer of full salary on their PS over PS salary on our PS
so yes IMO he walked away
can’t blame him for talking the better offer
you have to release the player to put them on the PS, it is a risk
the Redskins wanted the roster spot for someone who could be active game day
Nate took a contract offer from another NFL team after the Redskins waived him. No hard feelings from me.
I can’t wait till March so we can end this Kirk Cousins “thing” once and for all, either way it goes. It’s sickening.
What thing? There is no thing. Everything is fine here.
Ahh, distancing yourself from the coming breakup by referring to Kirk as a thing, clever…
He’s only got one oar in the water…
His cellphone’s fucked up.
He don’t know shit from apple butter.
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
“Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.”
“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”
“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”
“In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.”
“Evil isn’t the real threat to the world. Stupid is just as destructive as Evil, maybe more so, and it’s a hell of a lot more common. What we really need is a crusade against Stupid. That might actually make a difference.”
“And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.” FN
Lol
“Creativity is intelligence having fun.”
Stadium news: Politicians in DC, MD and VA working on an agreement between all 3 states, a pact to not spend public money on any stadium deal.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2018/01/19/dmv-pols-push-bipartisan-effort-to-ban-bidding-war-for-redskins-stadium/
I’d bet the house that this won’t happen.
It will be a HUGE stadium, and Mexico will pay for it.
again McGee dead cap of $3.2M, McClain dead cap of $7M for 2018
So we can probably at least afford to cut McGee if we decide to move from either.
problem is that McGee played more and better than McClain
Social Media has given the power to all the idiots who stayed at home and yelled at their TV, the ability to share their stupidity with the world at large, so instead of having to assume they are idiots we now have direct evidence
Sadly we don’t do enough to punish the idiots.
I blame it on whoever it was that helped them set up a Twitter account.
maybe they should require an intelligence test to get on social media.
Q1. Is the Earth Round.
Q2. Can you ID states/countries on an map.
There are plenty of otherwise intelligent people who act like idiots on social media
But at least we can weed out some of them.
True, maybe some type of psychological test. I swear some of these people are sociopaths
Q3. Are you a Nazi… be honest…
Yes but I’m not an Illinois Nazi
I hate Illinois Nazis
So what are you tryna fucking say, MAN?!!!!
It’s alright we’ll pass you the answers through the window
One can be intelligent AND crazy. “Crazy” is a oft abused label.
“I’ll take crazy over stupid any day.”
Like one of those 10 question IQ tests. As long as there’s no psychological review, I’m good. 🙂
I will never get people who go on twitter and badmouth players, tagging them in the process. I’ve never intentionally went on social media and insulted a Redskins player. Maybe accidentally.
https://twitter.com/AJFrancis410/status/955502204655493121
“AJ would be like 6th on our depth chart if we sign and draft better”
Obviously………wtf? Isn’t that what “better” means?
I mean if we drafted better, AJF would probably be on the 2nd line. But with how we rotated guys, not sure it’s a big deal.
No, not a big deal if you have like two more stout Tackles to add. Then there’s enough to go around that make lesser players better.
Best case in ’18. Assuming we are still a 3-4.
1st line- Allen, Matt I, and a 1st or 2nd round pick.
2nd line- AJF, Tony L, McClain
Get rid of Ziggy and McGee maybe?
I’d really not mind losing Ziggy and both Macs.
I don’t think you lose both of the irish. Money wise it makes no sense, cutting Ziggy has cap savings now, just 1 million, but still.
Yeah, “somebody” paid those fuckers.
Not the brightest bulb in the box.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Not the smartest Gimp in the Gimp Cage.
Can’t get too far away from the wall, comes unplugged.
Not the brightest star in the sky.
Not the smartest knife in the drawer
But more than 80 percent of the coprophagic dogs were reported to favor feces no more than two days old. Hart believes this taste for freshness suggests a cause that goes back more than 15,000 years — to dogs’ wolf ancestors.
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soooo… cute. then they lick you with that tongue.
the more carnivore-ic an animal is, the shorter the digestive tract and therefore, something that’s not too old prob smells like meat. our neighbor’s dog growing up would only eat cat poo, and one time, we watched as the owner said “no!!!” and the dog grabbed the poo by one end and flipped it up in the air and ate it. they fed their cat canned cat food, so it prob tasted like fish.
Speaking of dogs……… how’s Snoopy handling the off-season?
Was told he was being taken to the locker room to get the needle and ran away, never to return.
Woodstock is a true friend. Busted him out.
Womp, womp, womp-womp-womp, womp…….
– Belilchick
BB= Pennywise
“Time to float”
Moe and the Drive-Bys posting on the new WaPo thread
He’s building an army
An army of unwashed heathens
https://media.giphy.com/media/6fKwtbwXLvBCw/giphy.gif
Moe will rule the land from behind the paywall. Peeps that tend to forget will be sent to man the wall in the Trolls’ Watch.
Discuss?
Lol
Remember, if you’re sent to the Trolls Watch, you take a vow of celibacy. Not that it would be hard for many of the guys we send…
Lol
The Army for New TI Fucking Assholes.
A.N.T.I.F.A
for, or of?
New band?
I have no need for WaPo anymore
It’s a good band name.
Lame.
I see they’ve fixed the pay wall, I haven’t been signed in there for a solid week and cannot load the article without the white-out “give us your $” notice. Fuck that noise.
So McConnell promised a fair hearing on the DREAMERS. Let’s see if he reneges like he did on his promise to Susan Collins.
He’ll turtle up
I was in the pool!
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Who gives a shit? That is not a budgetary item. The Dems came on-board because every human alive can see they are the ones who orchestrated this political stunt.
GOP news blaming Dems, Dem news blaming GOP. Neither right, the blame lies with leadership on both sides which has been terrible for 10 years.
I think it would be smart of the GOP to move on from McConnell to someone like Sen. Susan Collins who was actually useful in negotiating a solution rather than just acting like a child.
Say did anyone hear if the government is back on?
Was it ever on?
Senate reached an agreement to re open the gubment
For how long?
14 minutes.
so they can clean the toilets
Alex! Grab a toilet brush!
I mean after lunchtime, you know the toilets in the Senate buildings get BAD.
Unsure… just heard it on the radio
3 weeks
U.S. Senate leaders say deal reached to reopen the government.
So get sober and put on some pants you animals…
my most interesting stat 6th most passes defensed on the team
Anthony Lanier with 6
more than any LB and DE22
that’s a lot of knocked down passes
Top 5 FYI
Bree 19
DJ 10
Fuller 10
Norman 9
Dunbar 8
I also had the numbers for amount of time in the backfield for this column, but I left that out of this piece because it’s too hard to compare backs and evaluate on that basis without knowing formations and plays.
But Perine generally had a pretty high number, meaning that he spends alot of time getting to the LOS.
His numbers also kept going up through the year.
Perine is a 2nd back. Kelley is nice story. Thompson is a real weapon. Bibbs is intriguing…can run AND catch.
Agree about all that.
I still keep wishing that Keith Marshall would just have been healthy for 1 season.
Yup…fast as hell
I was underwhelmed by his play in preseason.
This year yes but 2 years on IR, probably hurt him so much more. I think he is done.
Tough to see him still running a 4.3 after all he’s been through.
It’s frustrating, though, because at one point in college, he put Todd Gurley on the bench.
…and fragile as hell
No thanks
I agree with this, generally.
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Browns should update their uniform to have a zigzag on it
Lol, they’d never do it.
Its odd that no NFL uniforms have a horizontal stripe on the shirts.
Makes them look slow.
That was for Walter anyway, he made me laugh earlier.
So he’s from Norway?
Close…… Minnesota.
Will Compton @_willcompton 19h19 hours ago
I shouldn’t be surprised but it’s just unbelievable what this Tom Brady fella does every year
Looks like someone wants to be a Patriot.
He signs after the season 3 days later Brady and Bill both retire 🙂
i imagine players from 28-31 teams annually, wistfully, imagine what it would be like to be a patriot*.
I am waiting for Flunder to make his stone cold lead pipe lock to win the Super Bowl so I can pick the other team and bet heavy.
– Mush
Patriots win. Please bet on the Eagles and loose all your money.
Are you booking that shit?
I think I came up for the perfect nickname for our RB group: The JAG Corps!
The only thing I’ll be rooting for is my numbers on the multiple Super Bowl boards I’ll probably be on.
I think Perine lacks the lateral agility and explosiveness of elite backs. He’s fine as a back up/change of pace guy, but we need an elite talent at that position
I don’t think he has great vision, either.
Then I’m your man. Ouch, just pulled something…
– Keith Marshall
Things Keith Marshall says
I just tried to catch a football and broke both my hands
Wow that blocking pad just dislocated my elbow
I dropped the ball on my foot, I think it’s broken
i bet ricky-jean francois rues the day the skins released him!
You act like he is doing something.
They are using him in relief like you should with a RJF.
Imagine the PT he will get once he learns the calls.
why would you imagine i’m acting like that?!
I don’t think Perine is good enough to overcome the fumble issues. To me that was very disappointing to see. Like his running style and ability to get out and do his thing in open space. I think we’ll see someone else added to the backfield that’s not currently on the roster
Not sure if there is a stat for it but I would bet a dollar that we would find that Perine’s YPC is higher when he is taking the ball in shotgun formation as opposed to when he is set behind the QB who is under the center.
I’ll check for that. I was most interested in yards after contact, but I couldn’t find a reliable source that I trust on that one.
But I’ll try and find numbers on shotgun vs I / offset I, if I can without having to do it manually.
Cool man!
Flounder asked below how much PT Tony Lanier got this season.
I’ve got week by week tracking here. http://www.thehogsty.com/hog-sty-projects/redskins-impact-tracker-2017/
Basically after week 8, he was on the field for 40% of defensive snaps, went to 60% last 2 games.
His pass rush is coming along pretty freaking nicely. Once he gets his run responsibilities sorted/improved, he’s going to a a freaking starter as an UDFA. Dude is a keeper and a favorite of Gruden who referred to Lanier as still just being a puppy.
Actually I asked about Francis.
A.J Francis
Week 17- 35.14%
week 16-34.12%
week 15-36.11%
week 14- 38.24%
week 13- 24.56%
The Eagles are going to the Super Bowl for the 3rd time in team history…I refuse to root for a division rival. But I could never root for the Patriots.
so…. who are you rooting for? you just nixed both options.
Man up! This is an all hands on deck situation!
Just watch then who says you have to root either way.
I’m openly rooting for the eagles
Pats all the way.
Rick is rooting for the meteor
I’m rooting for more vomit.
https://graneyandthepig.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/mcnabbpuke2.jpg?w=450
I will suck it up and root for Pats. No damn way I’m rooting for the Eagles.
https://twitter.com/afc2nfc/status/955478971214385152
Hopefully they use the 1st pick on him.
“He’s our guy. We couldn’t risk losing him.”
So that proves it, he’s not gonna be an NFL star.
That’s a safe bet. I’d say, “the next Kirk Cousins” is is ceiling.
Looks like Cardinals have their guy.
Report: Cardinals closing in on deal with Steve Wilks
Posted by Josh Alper on January 22, 2018, 11:47 AM EST
AP
The Cardinals may have their next head coach in place pretty soon.
Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic reports that the Cardinals are “closing in” on a deal with Panthers defensive coordinator Steve Wilks. Wilks has interviewed with the team twice since Bruce Arians announced his retirement and Bill Voth of the Panthers’ website suggested things were moving toward a deal earlier on Monday.
The Cardinals also had Falcons special teams coach Keith Armstrong in for a second interview and were expected to meet with Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo and Patriots linebackers coach Brian Flores for a second time this week. Those interviews would obviously not happen if they do move forward with Wilks.
Wilks, who just finished his first season as the coordinator in Carolina after five years as their secondary coach, interviewed for several jobs in the last few weeks.
https://twitter.com/Redskins/status/955483966122987522
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Step aside, son.
-Vita
Did he get much time this year?
Scout team safety
“In six games with the Redskins, Francis recorded 18 tackles. While the sample size was small, the 6-foot-5, 327 pounder believes he can be the answer to the team’s search for a productive nose tackle.”
looking at games 2-4 where the line was mostly intact
Total/Passing/Rushing
385/156/229
472/356/116
331/220/111
2 wins and a loss (which may have been a win if Doctson holds onto the ball)
we ran the ball pretty good in those games
our restricted classes free agents
RFA
Ty Nsekhe
Deshazor Everett
ERFA
Tyler Catalina
Keep Nooshkie and Everett and I’m ‘meh’ on Catalina so whatever’s whatever.
at least we’re not the browns! 1 win in 2 seasons…. i think i’ll print up a redskins-colored shirt with that motto. kinda in the vein of “winning off the field”, etc…
I think Jay’s smart enough to know that if we have a significantly improved running game, it will significantly help his passing game.
I don’t think he can stay with the running game even when it’s working.
So glad we get to watch Philly get smoked in the Super Bowl. I only feel sorry for all those women who are going to end up with busted eyes or worse when the Iggles blow the game.
Philly women are no joke, hit them if you want but you might wake up with your dick cut off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC1lusyyUAU
I think we need an instant replay for the Hog Sty so I can just play weird romo noises in the show.
I like him more than most, but he was totally manic yesterday.
i think he’s a damn good announcer. can’t count the number of times he said something like, “watch for the crossing routes” and sure enough they ran crossing routes for first down completions. hated him as a player, but he can clearly see what’s going on on the field.
That’s what I like about him. As annoying as he is, he provides more actual insight than many of the others.
Wow. Called a route. Fucking brilliant.
He sucks big, dirty, smelly, mis-shapen donkey testicles.
he does it 15-20 or more times a game. yes, he surely has dirty, smelly, mis-shapen donkey testicles, but he sees what’s going on.
He’s turning into the NFL’s Dick Vitale
He sucks. He has never not sucked and he will always suck. Only morons like D_C think he’s good which actually speaks volumes about how wrong D_C always is. I would rather sit next to some drunk fratboy know-it-all and hear him as a commentator.
I especially love how Romo efforts to predict every penalty and much like D_C, he is always wrong.
He is the personification of suckage.
Someone probably mentioned it already, but just in case: Titans are parting ways with legend Dick Lebeau.
I don’t think they did. Is it a Dick problem or is it that he’s ready to retire?
Sounds like they basically asked him to step aside, but they aren’t quite saying that. I’d love for Snyder to hire him as a defensive consultant.
Haven’t seen that reported but he is in his 80’s so maybe he is retiring.
when 40% of your OL are in-season not your roster pick-ups
you’re probably not going to run the ball well
Meh. We didn’t run the ball well before the Oline injuries. This has also been an issue that has spanned several years.
Yes since Jay has been here our running game has stunk just like Cinn’s running stunk while Jay was there.
Every morning at 10am, my labrador starts to get in my face for play time. Sometimes he just sits at my feet, and tries Jedi mind control. Other times he just jumps on me. But when I grab the frisbees, it’s pure lab joy.
30 minutes of nonstop running for him, followed by a dip in the pond to cool off. Then he gets hosed down, dried off, and wolfs down his breakfast, followed by a 4-hour hard crash. It’s his favorite time of day. I enjoy it as well.
10 AM eh?
The Cat thinks 3:30 AM is breakfast time usually.
Solution: Feed your cat to Autsin’s lab around 10:00 AM.
Dogs are the best.
This usually him, post work-out
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So if we’re not committed to being a running team
Why do you need to spend a high draft pick on a rb
exactly my point
I actually think we do not draft any RBs this year
we have 10 on the roster right now
It doesn’t mean any of those 10 are good enough to be starting quality backs. A couple of them like Byron Marshall and Bibbs deserve their shot.
I’d rather build the lines
I think Jay wants to be committed to the run.
My column from a year ago about Gruden and run/pass balance: http://www.thehogsty.com/2017/01/20/do-the-redskins-really-need-to-run-more/
“committed” vs creating more balance?
Every team runs the ball, so it’s surely better to be good at it than bad at it. In Gruden’s last year in Cincy, the Bengals were 8th in the league in rushing attempts. Another year he was about average in attempts. In DC he hasn’t called a lot of running plays, but in 2015 — his best year in DC — we were a little above average in rush attempts.
Bottom line: even the LEAST running team in the league runs the ball 350+ times a year. That’s a lot of bad plays if you aren’t good at running the ball.
i cannot believe i am cursed with rooting for the f-ing patriots* in the superb owl. f the patriots*, but f the eagles more…. man, it’s grueling being a skins fan. at least we’re not the browns!
I’m openly rooting for the eagles
put Eagles stuff on your desk at work are you?
brave soul if you do
Folks at work are aware of my stance on the local team
i think i would go blind if i had to put patriots* or eagles crap on my desk. i can see how being from boston, you would be even more vested in them not winning, but, dayum, greg, it’s going to be an extra-ishy year for you. patriots* are going to crush the eagles.
That is a bridge too far for me. Way too far.
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[inhales deeply] Ah, the sweet smell of stats. Good write-up, Steve.
I don’t think any of our RBs except CT are above average, but what baffles me is why our OL isn’t better at run blocking. This year was obviously understandable with all the injuries, but they’ve sucked at run blocking for years, despite having a lot invested in them and one of the best OL coaches in the league.
and it took CT a couple of years to get there
True, but a lot of that had to do with injuries.
Yeah CT’s stats are always solid on a per-play look, but season stats are skewed by so many missed games.
Why practice something your not going to use very often. Also Doc mentioned something about their spreads being terrible for running the ball they are to close together. Not sure if that is true.
The big caveat with any discussion around the running game in 2017 is the injuries to the offensive line and the 20+ different starting combinations
running game takes a lot more practice and timing to get plays down than the passing game
passing is more about technique and assignnments
20….? you counting preseason?
nope reg season only
“The big caveat with any discussion around the running game in 2017 is the injuries to the offensive line and the 20+ different starting combinations”
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they only started 16 games…. “20+ different starting combinations” is logically impossible.
yes that is why I edited the comment
odd…. it’s still showing up as “20+” on my screen, even after a refresh.
I took out the word “starting”, because I realized that did not make sense about 1 minute after I posted it
Deadrin Senat in the fourth
Poona Ford in the third
Will Hernandez in the second
DaRon Payne in the first
Senat is LEGIT
Too
you would have to cut one or both of the Irish brothers with that draft
Ok
over $10M in dead cap space
McGee was ok ($3.2M dead)
McClain sucked ($7M dead)
so of course the worst guy has the higher cap #
Make it a post June 1st cut and then it’s not as bad.
In doing some mock drafts I came across a name I’d not thought about before but may be interesting. Nyheim Hines, stats wise, he looks like he could be another Chris Thompson type, anyone watched him?
In this offense that is better than a straight runner that Jay will never use enough.
I actually think Jay would use a “straight runner”, as you put it, if he could ever get his his on a really good one. I think Jay learned has his lesson about the value of a running game and really wanted to do it this year, but the team just wasn’t capable.
Nope never did in Cinn either his running game has never been good and never used enough.
I’d argue that he didn’t have a great RB in Cincinnati, either. Also, I wrote a piece on this a year or so ago and discovered that 2016 was really the only year that his run/pass balance was dramatically out of whack: http://www.thehogsty.com/2017/01/20/do-the-redskins-really-need-to-run-more/
I think he’s always going to be more of a 60/40 pass/run guy. Don’t see it ever going the other direction.
I can see it if the team ever drafts an elite RB.
So fucking jealous right now…..- RG3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS7mHFreYQo
You can’t teach that you either have it or you don’t.
That’s Fournette’s go-to move. Of course Fournette weighs 240 lbs….
he’s projected as a third down/change of pace back in the NFL
4th/5th round prospect
I figured, given his size and receiving ability. I am thinking this offense would be best if we had 2 of those.
We need a power back, IMO, not another CT.
a pass catching FB/H-back in front of or alongside Perine might work
That. I want what Chris Cooley was originally supposed to be under Gibbs.
Before the season, I thought perine would be more productive than he actually was.
A common thought, and one of the big reasons why I wanted to take a look at him.
My oldest child is 18
During her life she’s seen 11 champions, 11 parades
I cannot stomach anymore for the Pats
Which is why I want the eagles to win
Eagles cannot get a ring. They can not, they can not, they can not….
they would probably burn that city to the ground, FWIW
Who would notice?
Dude I can’t fathom the Pat’s getting #6
Move out of the area or, sabotage the organization.
I get a sense of that though. Being in Dallas and being swept by the pukes.
Makes me sick to the pit of my soul.
A brand-new U.S. Navy warship has not moved from Montreal since Christmas Eve and will spend the winter stuck in Canada due to cold and ice.
The USS Little Rock – unveiled in a ceremony on Dec. 16 in Buffalo, New York and attended by nearly 9,000 people – has not moved far since due to adverse weather conditions that kept the warship trapped at bay in Canada, the Toronto Star reported.
The warship known as a Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) cost $440 million to build and stretches 387 feet in length and weighs 15 tons more than the Statue of Liberty. It is capable of traveling more than 46 miles per hour.
Such combat ships are described as agile and designed for rapid transitions between missions with minimal manning. They are used for surface warfare, counter piracy and drug operations, as well as other first response missions.
So it’s cold and ice, is it willing to sacrifice our love?
What in the hell is a vessel that essentially skims the surface of the water doing touring a region when sea ice happens?
Mostly likely up there for an exercise.
they held the commissioning ceremony in Buffalo for some reason
For a boat named the Little Rock? Is there no irony there?
Once again I am doing the Union Rescue Mission Super Bowl party down here in San Clemente… guaranteed to be some Eagles fans amongst the homeless…
Coincidence?
Good on ya doing that.
So much fun… flag football game and TONS of food. The church really does it up right.
He’s a rookie
He’ll learn how to play at the NFL level and get better
Yes, he’ll get better, but how much? Do the Redskins still need to spend a high draft pick on a RB this year? After going through this exercise, I think they do.
If you listened to our interview with Doc, he tends to think RB’s don’t really improve that much from Rookies. Said either they have it or they don’t.
Yeah, he didn’t come across as too impressed with any of them.
This is a good write up… nicely done 713
Yes. Actually quality articles on this website….
Yep
You can tell they actually put some time and though into these… as opposed to WaPo would basically rephrases someone else’s fluff piece
Isaiah Crowell, RB, Browns. Age: 25.
Isaiah Crowell has a lot of natural talent, and he flashed it early in 2016 before the Browns had offensive line issues. However, he was a big disappointment this past season, failing to do anything behind an excellent front.
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What happenned to this guy?
Maybe the over all suckness that is the Browns.
He has talent, for sure. Got Cleveland’d.
I think he’s gonna be a very solid pro for us
Get more passes going his way
Have him come to camp at 220 pounds to help him with his quickness
@disqus_QrQGj7tcwn:disqus
I did a refresh the only table with an issue is the Perine 2017 NFL stats, runs outside the white background area into the burgundy area
I think this would be an intriguing pickup.
Carlos Hyde, RB, 49ers. Age: 27.
Carlos Hyde has averaged better than four yards per carry throughout his career despite never running behind a strong offensive line. He has also been paired with mostly terrible quarterbacks throughout his time in San Francisco. Hyde has the potential to explode in the right situation.
A suspected shooter was in custody on Monday after opening fire at a Texas high school, police said.
The status of the victims was unclear at this time.
The shooting was reported at Italy High School, about 45 miles south of Dallas, just before 8 a.m., authorities said.
Ellis County police tweeted that the suspect was in custody.
Any interest in these guys? I left off Bell because I doubt the Steelers let him go.
Dion Lewis, RB, Patriots. Age: 27.
Dion Lewis has a horrible injury history, but he’s a tremendous running back when healthy. He finally remained on the field the entire season in 2017, and it paid off. Lewis rushed for 895 yards on a 5.0 YPC clip and also caught 32 passes for 214 receiving yards.
Carlos Hyde, RB, 49ers. Age: 27.
Carlos Hyde has averaged better than four yards per carry throughout his career despite never running behind a strong offensive line. He has also been paired with mostly terrible quarterbacks throughout his time in San Francisco. Hyde has the potential to explode in the right situation.
Isaiah Crowell, RB, Browns. Age: 25.
Isaiah Crowell has a lot of natural talent, and he flashed it early in 2016 before the Browns had offensive line issues. However, he was a big disappointment this past season, failing to do anything behind an excellent front.
Rex Burkhead, RB, Patriots. Age: 28.
Rex Burkhead is a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none running back. He’s decent at catching passes (30 receptions in 2017) and can plunge into the end zone effectively from the goal line. He also averaged 4.1 yards per carry behind an offensive line with some injury issues.
Jerick McKinnon, RB, Vikings. Age: 26.
Jerick McKinnon isn’t a very good runner – he hasn’t been able to eclipse four yards per carry in either of his previous two seasons – but he’s an effective receiver out of the backfield. He had 51 receptions in 2017 and 43 the year before.
Carlos Hyde would be the only one from that list I would take a chance on
Yeah me to.
Hyde
I’m more and more interested in Dion Lewis the more I think about where I feel like the run game needs to go.
His production wasn’t what we hoped. But look, he did manage to push the columns outside the margin. So, there’s that.
Kidding aside…great analysis and getting inside the numbers Steve. I must still be accustomed to TI write ups. Still weird to see a well thought piece.
Yes and a piece not filled with biased shots at the team.
Are you having trouble with the tables? We’re sort of stuck with what our template does to tables. It looks fine on my desktop screen.
they are somewhat askew in my browser (Chrome)
Weird.
Huh. Look fine on mine (also chrome).
Looks fine on mine as well (also in Chrom)
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It’s an issue when the tables get too long some times. I’ve seen it before, but I haven’t found a way to fix the issue yet.
Dude sucks. Getting manhandled in the NFL.
I think he’s going to prove to be an average RB.
It’s those brief flashes of power and mean that he’s shown. If he could just build from there…
…and get a healthy line that gets to play together for a majority of the season
I have two weeks to figure out what I’m going to cook for the SB.
Wings have been my go to meal.
Eagles wings with Boston baked beans
Baked beans sound good.
Fly wings fly!
I have two weeks to figure out if I can stomach watching the Super Bowl.
Watch the film.
Perine is often running though gigantic holes at OU because of their offensive style and OL
Or because it’s the Big 12 and they don’t play defense.
fair enough
Steve Shoup from Fanspeak said that about Perine and Mixon last year before the draft on our show.
Nice write up Steve.
Yes, good job
repeat from last thread
from 2017 estimate
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Not sure I agree with “roughly the same usage rate.” 30-40 less carries in a season can be 2-3 WHOLE games worth of carries. His average yards per carry decreased. Wonder if Mixon’s usage increasing had anything to do with this.
What I was getting at by that is that Perine missed three games in 2016, but his average carries per game stayed roughly the same – 20.6 in 2014, 17.4 in 2015, 19.6 in 2016. Obviously dipped a bit in 2015.
I think the average yards per carry is a more worthy stat… and you covered that. Of course, people will argue that he needs more carries in a game as he becomes more effective the longer he’s in a game and the later the game gets…
I didn’t realize his production had dipped as much as it had at Oklahoma. I think it’s worthy of concern. One could argue that he had a disappointing college career in some ways.
I haven’t had a chance to read through the whole article yet. Did any of this coincide with Mixon getting more run?
Perine is rugged and durable. A good chain mover that gets better with reps. Assuming we can have a balanced attack, he can wear down teams in the 4th quarter.
Forst