No One to Run
January 19, 2018
by Alex Zeese
It’s safe to say that of all the snake bit positions on the Redskins roster in 2017, no position group was hit harder than the running backs. In 2017, seven different backs had to help carry the load in the run game. The team churned through nine backs over the course of the season. By the final whistle in week 17, the only guys still able to stand on the field healthy were Kapri Bibbs and Dare Ogunbowale. When it comes to the health of the roster, it is safe to say we’ve not seen a more miserable season at running back. The last season I can recall that came close was possibly 2009 , where not a single player for the Redskins ran for 500 yards, and the likes of Quinton Ganther was starting for the Redskins by the end of the season.
Now that the season’s over and the team appears to be directionless, the first thing that needs to be done is to figure out a plan. When we last had Mark Bullock (link) on the show, we talked for a long time about this year’s running game issues. One of the things he pointed out was that Gruden’s offense ends up running all sorts of different schemes, inside zone, outside zone, power runs, etc. But because they are trying to run everything in order to stay unpredictable, they end up not being very good at any one particular scheme. An argument could be made that for the ‘Skins running game to improve, the coaching staff needs to stop trying to turn the offense into jack of all trades, figure out what they do best with the running backs and build around that.
For whatever reason, this coaching staff and the front office have been desperately searching for a power back – that elusive 230 pound monster to just run guys over. Yet, after four years, the team is still yet to find a guy who can take that role on. We have seen the team invest heavily in these kinds of players in the draft with Matt Jones and Samaje Perine, and they also seem to keep looking for that player elsewhere. Backs like Mack Brown and Rob Kelley also fit that build, and you can even go back to Silas Redd and Alfred Morris, who were on the roster in Gruden’s first season. It seems that Gruden and his staff are searching for that traditional 2 back idea of “thunder and lightning”, where you can change the pace of the running game based on who’s in the backfield. On paper, it makes sense but in games, they have not been able to make it work out very well. There are far too many games in Gruden’s record book where the team has ended up never able to get the run game going.
The Skins really only had one player who was effective all season, Chris Thompson. Who when healthy is a great dual threat, a better receiver than he is a classic runner. He finished with a solid 800+ yards in his 10 games before getting hurt. Thompson’s strengths as a speedy back and a good receiver resulted in a 4.6 yard per carry average, nearly a whole yard better than anyone else running the ball except LeShun Daniels, who only had 3 attempts on the year. A team cannot have a solid running game relying on a glorious 3rd down back alone. However, it’s past time that the team embraced Thompson as a blueprint for the kinds of running backs this team needs to be successful. Their best plays to the running backs all year were in the screen game, with delay runs and the occasional inside zone runs. And this isn’t just a one year thing – in 2016 Thompson was again the team leader when it came to his average yards per carry and a great weapon as a receiver.
The team needs to stop banging its head against brick walls and embrace what has been working. The running game would vastly improve with bringing in another speedy shifty back. You hope Thompson can come back healthy, but even if he comes back, Thompson is best when he’s rotated in and out of the lineup, if you look at his numbers from last year, after a point they tended to go down the more snaps he played. If you can keep him in the sweet spot where he’s taking part of the workload and still able to stay fresh, Thompson would be more effective and a second guy with a similar skill set would only improve the backfield’s production week in and week out.
I don’t know who that guy is. Kapri Bibbs may fit the bill; he had an impressive showing late in the year and the skill set feels about right. In terms of the draft, I don’t claim to be a scouting junkie so I’m not going to tell you I’ve got some kid in a mid major school I’ve been watching who’s perfect. I know there’s some good talent possibly coming out in free agency. Le’Veon Bell is probably a pipe dream, but he has 300 catches in the last 5 years and would be a great feature back. Guys like Dion Lewis, Rex Burkhead or Jerick McKinnon may be a more realistic options if they become available.
Personally, I’d rather they find someone in the draft, but that would be my vision for how this part of the roster should be built. With a new versatile back in for 1st and 2nd downs, Thompson similarly continuing in his 3rd down role. Because he is in the 2nd year of his contract I think the team should keep Perine around. If nothing less he could be still be of use in short yardage situations. Stop running power schemes, and stick with the zone runs that our offensive line is better at blocking.
I wish some one with ALL-22 would look at the rush numbers (early in the season before the OL injuries) pertinent to the type of blocking schemed. I noticed the power schemes showed more promise esp when they had Scherff and/or Moses pull. Moses seemed to incur his injuries during those zone stretch plays as well.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4e5e4cd7e45c797f30c02d40dbc1f41d253dd9f50091df4e5ad47228a365d546.png
https://i.imgur.com/dTUmcBg.gifv
Boom, there goes the government!
New post – minor roster move: http://www.thehogsty.com/2018/01/19/roster-move-2/
https://twitter.com/Mason_Foster/status/954061405073879041
This was noted earlier. But we’re not sure what it means. No statements about resigning yet.
Sucks that Jarrett Stidham is going back to school.
I think he has to stay in school one more year, because he sat out a year
Alex, Nice take on the rb situation. I would add that Jay should completely abandon the first down power runs up the middle. I’m not a guy who enjoys looking up stats but I’d bet a large chunk of change we were one of the worst teams in the league on first down running play average. Blame the linemen, the te’s or the rb’s, the play just doesn’t work.
The astonishing predictability might have something to do with it as well.
Agreed. Whenever another team gets a first down run play stuffed two yards into the backfield, I say to my wife “Hey, they stole one of our running plays.”
It’s a copycat league.
It’s ridiculous. Before the play I say to MY wife: inside handoff, no gain. And about 80% of the time….
@frediefritz:disqus
here are my 3 developments guys I would watch for:
Luke Falk, QB, Washington State Height: 6-4. Weight: 205
Kurt Benkert, QB, Virginia Height: 6-4. Weight: 215
Mike White, QB, Western Kentucky Height: 6-4. Weight: 225
Guys I think Jay could coach up, 3rd/4th round picks
forget the UVA guy. BA would get his name right .
We want to sign Bentkirk to a LTD
Lol
Yeah, or Luke Fuck.
that would be a funny presser
Bruce you can’t say fuck on TV
I didn’t say fuck, I said Fuck
it sounds the same
No it doesn’t
Falk
Good list. All guys who won’t be ready next year, but might have something to show in 2-3 years.
I love Luke Falk
…or lamp…
I want a QB that stands in the pocket, is accurate and processies information quickly to get through his progressions.
No more process QBs!
Read and release!
Signed DOUG
So you want a young Brady or Farve for our QB?
do you have a second lifetime to wait for that guy again?
You called?
-Robert Mutherfuckin Griffin The Third
squinny said ‘QB’.
Sorry, I read that as safety. 😉
You thought he said meat popsicle.
LOL!
‘And I want a crapper made out of solid gold, baybee.’
– Austin Powers
That’s tough to find, but it isn’t as tough as the Redskins have caused it to become. The Redskins are what happens when you have bad leadership for two decades and then play games with the first QB you’ve had in forever who is a top 10 or so guy.
We didn’t play games Kirk is the one playing games. Kirk wouldn;t negotiate so how is that us playing games. Stop with the poor Kirk crap he is doing exactly what he wants.
Kirk and his agent have already said they had no interest in signing a long term deal and Kirk is happy playing on short term or one year deals.
Perspective from a former agent:
“What they did is they created the blueprint for how not to handle a good quarterback,” said Corry, citing the modest contract offers when the marketplace dictated more. “They set the wrong tone generally the whole way around. To me, if you’re serious about keeping the guy, you’ve got to put your best foot forward to show you’re trying to mend fences. If you’re not doing that, you’re not creating any path to getting a long-term deal done.”
‘O snap!’
– bruce
Pats list Brady as questionable with throwing hand injury. They’re being real coy about it. BB is trying pull off a possum job.
Tom Coughlin ain’t having it.
$500 for the first mother who steps on Brady’s hand!
— Gregg Williams
It’s not like the NFL will penalize the Pats for doing something against the rules…
‘Warm up Hoyer’
– Jags
Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that one stood against many. That’s what’s important! Valor pleases you, Crom… so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then the HELL with you!
Conan Dline
Tanner Lee vs. Northwestern 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yywy6WrBdUA
there has to be an lowlight reel of his pick-sixes from last year
There’s more games, post ‘um. I didn’t watch Nebraska play one game.
Nobody watches huskers games. Cept that one guy.
Dude sucks. Will get manhandled in the NFL.
Got size, arm strength, good mechanics, and a nice compact delivery. Stares down receivers like he’s tryin’ to turn’em into stone.
HaHa!!
Tanning, is said to be one stank ass job.
Stop hatin’! – mule skinner
Mike White vs. Alabama 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA4VH8zjyd8
Rough game. LOL
Well, I mean…we want to see adversity…right?
Yes, but I think the talent disparity was so big there that it doesn’t tell you much.
It’s gonna be that way in the NFC East
NFL has announced that the Raiders did not violate the Rooney Rule.
Right, and Kim Jong Un didn’t violate the Ronery Rule
Zig-Zag_BC • an hour ago
What kind of quarterback would Doug Williams go for?
btg Zig-Zag_BC • an hour ago
Big arm
Pocket passer
xxx
You rang?
-Tanner Lee
🙂
Mike White!
Has Doug or any of his people been out to Nebraska this year?
I doubt it.
My guess is Lee gets drafted by the Saints, probably as a no big deal kind of thing.
2017
Tanner Lee 57.5% 23 td 16 int
Mike White 65.7% 26 td 8 int
both are 6’4″ about 220#
career td/int
TL 46/37
ML 74/31
Neither one of them probably are drafted in a situation where either gets to develop in the NFL. They will both be Kirk Cousin’s and only if the starter tanks terribly will they get a shot.
Yes, I would hope one would sit for a year, and learn the progressions.
emphasis on “pocket” and “don’t expect him to leave it”
Bruce does not do scouting per se
He will go out and watch players practice, be part of player interviews and he does read/watch the scouting summaries that are produced by the scouts
from my understanding there were no big conflicts during the draft that he had to settled
they followed the board except in one case last year
Bruce much more relies on the scouts than he did in Tampa back in the day
we also have much better scouts than they did back then
Gruden had the power in Tampa I think he put BA on the back burner.
When he destroyed a epic team and flopped on all of his drafts after? Yeah, thank God, right.
Gruden had a lot of input on those drafts
My experience even with Gibbs, having the head coach too involved in the draft is never a good thing
I’m not saying Jon didn’t, those two were like peas and carrots.
The FO’s job is to work with the coach to get him the players that fit his system, it’s not a competition if your doing it correct. Sure if there is a argument and it can;t be worked out than I would assume BA would step in but that really shouldn’t happen often. Jay will have a huge say in who this team drafts and he should.
The cross-eyed buffoon should keep his trap shut.
Anyone know at what level did the pukes tender David Irving
I don’t know if they have yet.
“With only three years under his belt at season’s end, Irving will be what’s called a restricted free agent. This designation allows Dallas more control than unrestricted free agency. The Cowboys are allowed to place a tender on Irving, at one of three levels. Each level has a different one-year salary attached to it. The player is still free to negotiate a long-term deal with any club, and the Cowboys can match the offer. If they don’t, depending on the tender level, Dallas would receive that compensation.”
1st round. 4.2
2nd round. 2.9
3rd round. 1.9
He’s one of those raw upside guys that panned out.
The coolest thing is seeing that happen, IMO.
Also, Fuck Dallas.
Would LOVE to make a run at him
I had hoped Lynden Trail was gonna do what Irving has, he didn’t. Yeah, Irving is boss.
Doug Williams Q&A in 2008
Matt, Saratoga NY:
Doug, I’ve been a lifelong Skins fan and it’s a pleasure to chat with you. Do you see a little bit of yourself in any of today’s QB’s?
Doug Williams:
That’s a good one. I would have to say Warner and Roethlisberger. They stand in the pocket and they get the job done.
Granted, both of these cats played in the Superbowl, it’s relevant.
So if you were to give yourself over to the belief that Bruce doesn’t involve himself with actual scouting and just focuses on cap related things…Doug is the man. If Doug is truly the man, I believe Doug will assert his opinion and have influence on Jay. If all of this is true, you gotta look at what Doug sees, moving forward.
Doug and Jay will work together.
Well…. it’s settled then. Glad we put that behind us.
If they don;t than they should both be fired.
Give them a chance, flounder. I’m interested in seeing what Doug can do with actual power, if that is really a thing.
What kind of quarterback would Doug Williams go for?
Big arm
Pocket passer
Exactly “stands in the pocket and gets the job done”.
Hopefully, it takes Jay Gruden’s input into consideration.
I mean…. that’s kinda a given.
Good arm, quick release, confident and fearless.
So find the median between the two. That’s your best bet.
IMO, Cousins needs to be reassured and coddled. He needs to know that he’s loved. I think Gruden wants a QB who intensely wants to win and doesn’t give a rat’s ass about what anyone thinks of him.
When I watched Gruden play in Tampa, so many years ago, he came out swingin’, a lot of fun to watch. I agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBtOsvV5lcE
nice pull
Kinda solidifies the back and forth between Gruden and Cousins, eh?
He looked like Baker Mayfield out there
Someone mentioned Mike White a day or two ago. Not highly ranked, but a pocket passer with accuracy. I’ve become intrigued with him.
Thanks, I’ma check him out. I remember the mention but not the poster.
Yes, we should draft well, but I’m for signing 3-4 IMPACT free agents.
Who do you have in mind
I can’t see DL being an option and they probably don’t want to set the market for a guard with Scherff coming up on a new deal
Star Lotulelei is a FA I think. He might be a nice addition, although I think CAR plays a 4-3.
Sheldon??????????
Absolutely
Not
Lol, I knew it!
My off season column
Don’t care whether we resign Cousins
Don’t draft an elite RB
Draft lots of defensive guys starting with a stud DL
Resign Brown, Foster
roll with the offensive guys we have
because if we stop teams we will win a lot more games no matter if Colt or Kirk is starting and Kelley or Perine is running
if we can resign Cousins that is a bonus
Well said
I think we still need a good OG and a No. 1 WR.
FA guard Long or someone else
we got millions tied up in Docston
give him 1 more year to prove he’s a #1 WR
DJax ain’t getting cut
I’m ASSUMING you’re not talking about finding a 6th round all pro RB
We got plenty of RBs
the problem was the o-line
Jay is not a pound the rock coach
You can run a power I and not pound the rock
I mean, hello, 1980’s 49ers
We got plenty of “no cut” running backs….
Might work if Kirk stays, not likely.
There’s a good chance S Derwin James will be available at 13. That would shore up the backfield. Then we need a young DL guy like Harrison Phillips from Stanford, who might be available when we pick rd 2. Resign Brown and Foster, and we would have a much better D.
Sweet, sweet words.
Guess how many tackles HP#66 had this year.
Bunch’a sacks, tackles for loss. Not a very popular player on hype driven internet sites.
He’s a good leader, a fine Christian fellow, does lots of charity work, but stomps ass on the field. Low risk/high reward.
He was a big sushi fan. Then he pulled a 5-foot tapeworm from his body.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article195517769.html
Read that earlier on the Tabloid News Insider, over on WaPo.
either the DC101 or JFK morning show talked about it this morning
Don’t tell me that. Haven’t been able to eat calimari since I read that a big percentage of what’s sold as calimari is actually pig’s anus.
kissing cousins with chitlins
I’m assuming the blog about Fullback is coming up?
maybe a um, expose on Jaylen Samuels?
It’ll be a short one. “Jay doesn’t use a fullback.”
yeah, and Tom Osborne ran a pro style offense in the 1970’s
And his son kept trying to kill spiderman.
I was thinking about adding FB in here but we needed a new post and I’d spent enough time on it.
Good comment, Alex. I agree for the most part. We should keep one guy like Perine for short yardage and mop up duty and two or three CT-type backs who could alternate throughout the game to keep them fresh. That is, if you can’t find a guy like Saquon, Zeke, K Hunt, or David Johnson who can bring both the power and the speed/receiving game.
Frustrated with his production at WR, the Redskins promote Terrelle Pryor to starting QB.
Spoiler….. literally
Can’t wait to see him throwing to Lamar Jackson. 😉
Lol
“I knew if I sucked long enough, and remained patient, I’d get promoted.” said a relieved Pryor
Today is Pat’s pride day at work
Or as I like to call it “The douche bag Olympics”
What’s the difference between Pats pride week and gay pride week in Boston?
The glitter?
Someone’s lack of participation?
I think that Bibbs did enough to become the 4th rb
CT
RK
SP
KB will be the rbs
so excited right now…..
Then it’s settled. Saquon Barkley to the PS
This is a great column by Alex. I actually am on the side of finding an elite power back, but I understand Alex’s point.
Not bad for me spit-balling it all up in an hour.
It’s good, the only thing in flux…what influence does DWill have on Jay, and what is his theory.
Vikes vs Jags
NFL’s worst nightmare for the Super Bowl in terms of potential viewership
that’s my ideal match up. would be perfect, imo. and vikes win at home. f the pats*. f the eagles. pretty simple calculus, really.
Agreed
Can’t stand the local teams success
Fist!
…of first men…?
sorry… totally immersed in game of thrones. up to season 5 now. please no one tell be any thing about what happens, but, damn…. that’s an enthralling show.
Can we at least spoil Dunk and Egg?
Spoiler Alert
They die, they all die
horribly
lalalalalalalaaa not listening!
Winter came. Many snow sculptures were made.
Spoiler: there are dragons.
And hot chicks riding them.
Chick, singular
The chicks ride quite a lot
Season 5? Slacker