Eagles: Turnaround Miracle or Reid Revived? Understanding the magic behind Philadelphia’s “1-year rebuild”
By John Worrall
January 23, 2018
As the Philadelphia Eagles prepare to face the New England Patriots in a rematch of Super Bowl XXXIX, Redskins fans are left in the familiar position of watching another team chase glory while hoping their own beloved franchise can finally find the right ingredients to make a championship run of their own.
Several factors make this year’s Eagles run particularly frustrating to Redskins fans. In addition to being the geographically closest division rival, the Eagles themselves appeared to be in a state of disarray after head coach Chip Kelly was fired mid-season a mere two years ago. In the past five seasons, the Eagles starting quarterbacks have been Michael Vick, Nick Foles, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, Carson Wentz and Nick Foles again… despite the fact that Foles had been traded for Bradford two years prior.
Even Philadelphia’s front office went through challenges as Kelly decimated key pieces of the roster that general manager Howie Roseman had built with the longtime Eagles head coach Andy Reid prior to Kelly’s arrival (including the Foles-Bradford trade and losing standout players such as LeSean McCoy, Jeremy Maclin and Desean Jackson).
How is it, many Redskins fans are wondering, that the Eagles could build a Super Bowl team from scratch in one year, while the Redskins haven’t managed to win a divisional playoff game since their last Super Bowl victory 27 years ago in 1991?
Part of the answer, of course, is that the Redskins franchise has been stuck in a vicious cycle of rebuilds and house cleanings since Dan Snyder outbid the late Jack Kent Cooke’s family for the team in 1999. The other part of the answer is that what is happening in Philadelphia is not a rebuild so much as the resurrection of what was already a pretty good team.
Not a “Rebuild”
In order to understand the Eagles’ seemingly miraculous one-year rebuild of their team, we have to look at the franchise and understand where it was coming from. The Eagles have not been a terrible team since the 1980s with the exception of a pretty ugly three-year stretch in the late 90s under head coach Ray Rhodes, which led to the hiring of Andy Reid (who was recommended to Eagles owner Jeff Lurie by Packers head coach Mike Holmgren, himself a disciple of Bill Walsh).
Reid was fired by Philadelphia after posting a 4-12 record in 2012. It was only his third losing season in 14 years. The Eagles went 130-93-1 under Andy Reid. Under Chip Kelly, the Eagles went 10-6 back to back in 2013 and 2014. Kelly was fired near the end of a 7-9 2015 campaign, and Doug Pederson’s first year record was also 7-9 in 2016 before leading the Eagles to a 13-3 record this year.
This is not a team that has been scraping the bottom of the NFL barrel – this is a pretty good team that was coming off of two mediocre seasons. Part of the reason for this has been the retention and development of GM Howie Roseman, who joined the Eagles as a salary cap consultant in 2000, and was named GM in 2010 (the youngest GM in the league at the time), and the adoption of a stable partnership between Roseman and Reid that allowed the team to acquire players via the draft, free agency and trade that fit a pattern that lasted over a decade.
When teams go through an “overhaul” rebuilding process, the staff and player roster normally end up being a mix of the previous regime’s thinking and the new regime’s thinking for a few years until things get sorted out. While this is also true for the Eagles, having Howie Roseman at the top has made recovery from the Chip Kelly era less onerous.
A Resurrection
While coaching the Eagles, Reid had majority control over personnel decisions, but worked closely with Roseman on those decisions. Roseman is now taking a stronger role in the decision-making process than he was when Reid was with the team, but the lessons he learned in player acquisition were learned from Reid.
Similarly, Pederson is as close to an Andy Reid clone as one can find in the NFL, having played quarterback under Reid twice (in both Green Bay and Philadelphia), coached under him for four years in Philadelphia and was his offensive coordinator in Kansas City for three years. Pederson runs a similar offense to Reid’s and is having similar results, in no small part because Roseman is already attuned to finding and acquiring players that meet Reid’s (and therefore Pederson’s) needs.
While there are obvious exceptions (DC Jim Schwartz, for example, and it never hurts to have a young phenom under center), the 2017 Philadelphia Eagles are far closer to the Andy Reid teams of the early 2000s than the recent Chip Kelly teams. It’s not been an overhaul so much as a return to what already worked.
So what does this mean?
For Redskins fans, there is unfortunately little applicable insight to be gained by Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen trying to analyze the path Lurie and Roseman took to improve the Eagles over the past season. The Redskins have no established, successful methodology to return to.
Rather, it is important to note that turning a mediocre-to-bad franchise around in the NFL is not something that happens overnight very often. If it was as easy as nabbing a couple of free agents and hitting on draft picks, turnarounds would happen much more frequently.
Instead, what Philadelphia’s turnaround shows us is the importance of identifying and sticking to a philosophy over time. The great teams – from the Packers of the 60s to the Redskins and 49ers of the 80s to today’s Patriots and Steelers – have all shown a consistency in team-building philosophy that has allowed those teams to build a foundation to fall back on – as well as simplifying the player selection process by immediately eliminating players that do not fit the established system.
For the Redskins, the priority needs to be the establishment of a team identity and the search for a successful front-office/coaching partnership that allows them to build a team around that identity – without abandoning the plan when a flashy player comes along.
Can Gruden/Allen be that combination?
Time to move on, kids – new post: http://www.thehogsty.com/2018/01/24/when-it-comes-to-team-building-the-concern-over-positional-cap-percentage-is-slightly-overrated/
I know, right?
– Kurt
Dick Libeau was let go from Tennessee by Vrabel. That dude is a legend. Jay might wanna show Manusky the door…bring in ol Dickie.
he’s 80
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Still better than Manusky. Looks like he could whoop some ass too at 81!!!
Manusky is fine.
maybe bring him in under some asst title?
Reporter: “Boxers or Briefs?”
LeBeau: Depends
He would still beat the fuck out of you.
lol
Ehhh
Dude signed my yearbook.
– Jesus
He has a corn on his foot older than us.
New craft beer from Pittsburgh: Tap Hole Cream Ale, fresh from the slag chute.
the new coke
I like a good cream ale. What is the ABV? Any flavor notes of note?
8%
Flavors:
Lead
Sulphur
Carbon
Silicon
mmm… charcoal filtered
*gulp*
mmm… gurp… I think they forgot to filter the charcoal
Lol
So it tastes like But light.
ZING! It’s heavier than PissLight. But yeah.
Butt heavy
Oww! ……..my liver
Sparkling Three River Water.
Terrible towel filtered
Nailed it
Okay. So this thing does work. It’s not me.
Did you see my response to your video post? Listen to the guy at 0:12 sec, you’ll fuckin’ die laughing.
That dude’s full of zingers and put downs. Cracks me up. Which is why I threw it up for Mike. Who hasn’t responded.
Would be interesting to do a view of the NFL now that we kind of know the new coaches, their disposition, the state of the teams, and where the markets for Cousins are and who he is in competition with. Seems to me that we’re looking at Keenum, Foles, maybe Bradford, and prob half a dozen 1st and 2nd round QBs. Maybe Kirk gets only a Carr offer
Foles is locked in to the Eagles, and no thanks on Keenum or Bradford.
Foles has a contract that is favorable for a trade
Yeah and no thanks on that.
If you want to play a vet just go with McCoy.
Haha that Keenum train died after one bad game in Philly lol
It’s mind-blowing how many peeps make sweeping proclamations based on the last game they watched.
True dat
So true
4. Andrew Brown, DT, Virginia
Brown was misused as a two-gapping five technique at Virginia, but the Houston Texans’ coaching staff decided to take advantage of his gifts by playing him as a one-gap penetrating three technique in shells on Tuesday.
This allowed Brown to showcase his initial quickness and disruption off of the snap as an interior rusher with natural explosion. Every time I saw him line up in a one on one drill, he ended up in the backfield after dominating his opponent.
After an incredible first impression, I could see Brown drawing considerable attention as a three technique similar to Darnell Dockett.
–Jonah Tuls, NDT Scouting
“Tuesday’s practice made it clear that Lauletta not only has the ball placement to rise as the top quarterback on the South team in Mobile, but that he could enter the conversation with Mason Rudolph as the next guy after the consensus top five quarterbacks.”
Hey guys, so you know, we should have a new post in the next few hours.
Also I’ve been making some small tweaks to the website, but as we continue to develop new content you should.
We should what?
obey the force
Notice the difference, changes, new stuff
notice, sorry.
also develop new content.
Spit it out damnit!!!
One thing I am still working on, getting Steve to agree to having guest bloggers. So
if folks here want to write something we will post it.
He’s been hesitant, as he’s worried about QC, and his workload. But I think I have a compromise that should make him happy that I’m pitching him later tonight.
I wont write anything that should make it easier.
:-p
‘Can’t’, lol…
Just share it with the group and vote on it.
QC and oversight is something to always be concerned about.
He does most of the editing of these posts, and does a great job of it. Don’t want to put more on his plate.
LAST thing this site needs is me editing for spelling.
I can do some coding, graphics and I edit video and audio with the best of them. But I got into this media stuff so that I’d never have to write.
Yes, he does. The pieces read very well.
“Also I’ve been making some small tweaks to the website…”
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i can’t wait for the new white background!
NY Giants just hired a new DC….Bettcher from Arizona.
Yeah.
Wait. Who’s their HC?
Shurmur from the Vikes.
Pat Shurmur is new Giants HC.
Ok. Thanks.
My boss just brought in soda from Scottland tasted just like Bubble Yum gum.
do you now have a hankerin for some haggis?
You got that down there ↓ yea?
Hmm?
It’s called Irn Bru. It’s the number 1 soda in Scottland.
Sounds like a craft beer from Pittsburgh, if Pittsburgh has craft beer.
I stick to Macallens.
Especially on the job…when I had one.
I quit smoking and drinking soda 4 years ago but I figured a little sip wouldn’t hurt.
FFW till this evening: flounder found passed out on couch with empty Coke cans scattered everywhere……fell off the wagon. Better call your counselor.
LMAO Coke was my soda of choice.
empty 2 liters
Good on ya, fishy.
Thanks bro quit cold turkey on both at the same time. It was not fun and I had some massive stress headaches but it was worth it.
Start to smoke marijuana
Flavored sparkling water is the way to go. All of the fizz. None of the crap.
LaCroix…any kind!!!
Damn spendy though.
I get sparkling water and throw in some Stur.
I can’t stand any of these tainted water drinks.
Your score is: 20664 (GRADE: A-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 13: Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB/FS, Alabama (A+)
Round 2 Pick 12: Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State (A)
Round 3 Pick 14: Josey Jewell, ILB, Iowa (A)
Round 4 Pick 13: Derrick Nnadi, DT, Florida State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Isaiah Wynn, OG, Georgia (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Breeland Speaks, DT, Ole Miss (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Bryce Bobo, WR, Colorado (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: David Moa, DE, Boise State (A+)
Whoa, Fitz at 13.
You got an A+ with the 1st pick nice job.
That would be classic example of ‘BPA’.
Really? We don’t need a badass FS? Ok…..
Imma dyed in the wool BPA guy. We need bass-ass everything. I’d do hand springs at that pick.
he’s going to be #1 overall on the big board, for that to happen 2 years in a row???
^ A run on the deep class of QB’s, a couple teams draft for need, a rumor about a bad Achilles.
maybe throw a rumor in there that maybe he took a swing at a cop the night before the draft
A DUI, talk about him hanging out with a bad crowd….
I know yesterday you couldn’t get above a B
Right finally. Fitz can play FS and move DJ to SS
Yes
and Nicholson to Peso!
Nicholson would be a solid rotational piece, you can from time to time go to a Cobra look move DJ down into the box with Mont and Fitz covering over top.
if you hear some talk about the difference between w and w/o Nicholson, he’s more than a rotational S, he’s a legit NFL starter… if healthy… which… is his MO (hurt?)
Plus Nickolson would replace DJ once his contract is up.
Sold!
“Breeland speaks…”, his first album.
I like how all of your picks are either A or A+, but you get an A- overall. Sounds like the school I went to.
LOL yeah how does that work?
Yeah this is my best rated draft ever in terms of all A+ and As, yet still get A- LOL stupid software.
well….. and of course the idea of rating a draft any time before 3 years after the draft is kind of silly.
i would LOVE to see some sort of evaluation of mel kiper and the like’s drafts 3 years after they happened. heck, pundits and gms drafts.
the draft I did yesterday scored almost a 22000, but I traded back and had like 3 more 2nd and 3rd round picks, so I had an A even though I had a C+ pick in the 6th round. I think the overall grade must be relative to what could have been?
I used to trade back all the time, but I realized its not really realistic to get an offer every round like they give you so I just work with original picks for the sake of realism and sanity.
It’s a nice draft, scores are for douchebags. Pick for football players.
I’m gonna save this mock and see where some of these guys go. I’ll probably save my best 3 and see which guys end up good.
probably happens all the time, but you probably don’t get the table value that they give you on first pick. I don’t know how that all works. you think they have a chat room open with offers nowadays? (as the moderator, only the team picking would be able to see the offers) or all phone call old school?
I wasn’t saying my draft was more realistic, I was just saying that if you have more players the score would be higher and the total score is probably relative to some high hypothetical score. So, eventhough it was totally fake and I had I think a B+ and C+ because I had more players overall, I had more A+ and A players and therefore a higher score and grade. That is, the final score isn’t necessarily based on the average of all your picks, though clearly it isn’t an independent variable.
One thing to consider that worries me, IF a situation like that occurs, and Cousins is gone, DOES this FO have the discipline to not pull the trigger on a QB in the 1st round? I mean Dallas did it, but they didn’t “NEED” a presumptive starter.
Grade is also based on what you did compared to the other teams the computer simmed.
I agree with BC from about 60 posts down….We need to move on. Use the 25-30 million from a Kirk deal and bolster the D through FA…draft a kid to play QB, roll with Colt for one year. Refuse to pay historical top dollar amount for a QB.
Sick of saying it. So I’m not gonna anymore. Until the next that I do.
Yeah agreed
yup. kirk is not our qb anymore. there are a dozen or more almost-as-good, much cheaper options out there.
I’d be all for paying historical caish if Kirk had won a couple playoff games or shown signs he doesn’t have to be surrounded by elite talent to be successful or if he showed he could carry the team to wins by himself.
I am NOT for paying historical caish because that’s what the market is right now.
Bye Kurt. Don’t let the doorknob hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
I can’t stand the waiting.
This front office feel like is dragging it’s feet on re-signing some of their talented FA’s.
Wouldn’t it be great if BA had the PS players dumping the contents of Kurt’s locker on the curb outside Redskins HQ in Ashburn? That would be called a ‘clear future’.
(Hint: Yes)
Is Kirk a good QB? Yes, most definitely. Does he make the players around him better?? I’m not seeing that.
ovur 1000 posts on same thred stoopid why the F dosent someone do there jobs stuffs going on around the leeg makes no cents jesus idots
– Flunder
the “funny” part is a post like that would be followed by some post bragging about how he does not read the articles.
He doesn’t need to…he’s in the meetings with BA.
Both my stalkers together wow.
lol
flounder,
just stating facts. you forever clamor for new articles, then talk about how you don’t read them. just facts, bro. own it.
I haven’t heard him do that on Hogsty, not once. You’re just trying to bring that TI bullshit over here.
Agreed
the last 10 years on insider never happened?
Not over here
TI is somewhere else.
You spend a lot of time worrying about what I’m posting a doing.
I think your in love
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Found something new for you to watch in between Rogan podcasts
https://www.youtube.com/user/AutoExpertTV/videos
Right up your alley
“cock swapping Yoda”…….lost in translation @ 0:13 seconds. LMFAO
Well shit. That was supposed to be his video channel. Not a video. Anyway, you’ll find it.
That WR from Penn. was catching everything thrown his way could be a good late round pick as a possession receiver.
That Gallup kid from CO St. looked really good, too.
Joe Thomas thinks the Browns should sign Cousins and draft Barkley and DT. Currently on ESPN radio.
Nope.
-Kirk Cousins
Great……take our QB, and two top draft needs.
No doubt Joe doesn’t want to roll with a rook QB.
He was throwing the former FO under the bus yesterday.
one-year rebuild? LET’S DO THAT!
Why didn’t we think of this before? So simple!
we’ve been over-complicating this for YEARS!
DECADES!
What’s Pauline say about BJ Hill?
*yackety sax*
Tanner Lee threw a dagger of a pick……at sunset.
he’s a gunslinger
you can bet he won’t be a Brandon Weeden.
ain’t ta skerd to throw an a pick six a nyther
Tues: Hill didn’t make many plays, but at the same time he didn’t get beat. He plays with terrific pad level and leverage, gets underneath opponents and explodes off the snap. He shows solid strength at the point but struggled finishing plays.
He surprised me with his burst, he looks pretty big. Not a high pick but has upside. He’s heavy handed.
6’3.3
321 pounds.
that nc state dl is LEGIT…Mayock was saying how the ND vs NC STate game was a BRAWL
I’ll have to see if I can find that. He was swinging the meat hooks for sure, lol. That short dude from UCLA got walloped.
Yeah, he was saying that NC St’s DL was as good as anyone’s in the country.
She said “I’ll meet you there after the game”
dangit, how did I miss THAT one?
Well, I learned how to walk and I learned how to run in Bakersfield
Should’ve done time over things I’d done in Bakersfield
I tasted my first taste of romance in Bakersfield
I learned how to fight and I learned how to dance in Bakersfield
Dancin’ on BJ Hill
Overlookin’ Bakersfield
Remembering my first thrill
Dancin’ on BJ Hill
…
Meh…..
Pauline on Harrison Phillips:
Tues: Phillips had a terrific day. He was quick and powerful and destroyed opponents. He showed power bull rushing blockers off the line and at the same time displayed a variety of moves getting around opponents.
and Pauline talking about Will Future Redskin Hernandez:
Tues: Very good day for Hernandez. He’s a powerhouse who blocks with a nasty attitude. He kept his head on a swivel, showed strength and proceeded to control anyone he got his hands on. Also worked hard helping out his linemates. Hernandez is a little stiff and struggled if he was required to cover any amount of area.
If that is the guard with the big shoulder pads then yes we should get him.
#76
Yeah
Dude seemed to have a nasty streak.
imagine a pitch out to CT, and Scherff and this cat pulling around the end?
lotta guys would be hitting the turf in unnatural ways
I like his interior work. He can turn a DT and just “open the door”, drive the interior to one side. You can bring a blocker behind him for the linebacker and bust that shit wide open.
I like the way you think
I watched him do it. Like opening a sliding door.
now we just need a dynamic running back. Thompson is good but he’s not an every down back
betcha CT is pretty freakin amazing with a FB leading through the hole
Your FB from NCS looked good. (J Smith)
if Jay isn’t good enough to mod his system to include a FB in some plays, maybe he’s not a great offensive mind. or maybe they don’t have good enough WRs to see 8 in the box?
I don’t understand why peeps are put off to a solid, blocking, receiving fullback.
yes, I like my offensive lineman to be nasty. I wanted us to get Richie Incognito a couple years back
That guy is a cancer.
I want my offense of lineman to be able to go to the next level in space and find the linebacker or safeties and knock them down too. not sure Hernandez can do that
Tony Pauline talking about Poona Ford:
Tues: Big difference over the course of a week. Unlike the Shrine Game, when he was unstoppable, he was getting eaten alive most of the day Tuesday. He had no answer when opponents blocked down on him, which was happening all day.
You catch any of the Mexican Mauler yesterday? He looked good. Beat once or twice with speed, that’s it. Smashing dudes to the ground.
see above….
I’m all about dropping back and getting this guy in the 20’s…
Harrison Phillips also had a banner day.
the thing about dropping back is that it might be necessary if they’re looking at a starting DL, LB, RB, WR, QB, OG…
It’s all real!
-Firstpick
Mayfield has this really quick release like watching a infielder throw. Allen and Falk have the more traditional over the top release. Both Allen and Rudolph have put on some weight.
I think the Browns will go with Rosen 1/1.
Allen said some shit about “not wanting to be the guy that said no to Cleveland”. Dumb thing to say, IMO
From a winning perspective, anyway. Wealth wise for rookie contract, well…
Sand, did you watch any senior bowl practice yesterday?
No, too nice of a winter day! Was out scouting ducks and checking on eagle nests.
L. Falk definitely throws a nice ball but is about as mobile as me. I’d prefer our ‘QB of the Future’ to be able to extend plays when necessary.
He slides around pretty good. Watching more of him, I don’t like the hopping thing.
I think he moves away from pressure though.
He can thread it. If he’s accurate, I’m intrigued.
He’s accurate, except when he does that weird little hop. His back foot ends up way back. Not saying that is a permanent thing.
Yes he is! An under valued skill for some crazy reason.
We’re all about some undervalued skill.
So Wilks doesn’t retain Bettcher as DC in Arizona, and Shurmer/Giants scoop him up. Cards were very aggressive with the blitz packages under him.
Wilks is a defensive guy who has his own DC.
Yup. It wasn’t surprising.
Happy Wednesday!
Hpy Hpy
Back at ya, 65!
Looks like the Vikings are going with Teddy in 2018.
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The Vikings seem likely to put their faith in Teddy Bridgewater to reclaim the starting QB position in 2018.
Makes sense to me. He’s the youngest of the three, with probably the longest-term upside.
I think we should draft for what we want, and run with Colt. I don’t care if he struggles, as long as we’re moving forward. If Kirk leaves, which he probably will, we don’t need some expensive FA.
Run with Colt? I wish we had a good rushing attack.
As opposed to spending on Case Keenum or his equivalent. If Kirk leaves, draft your QB. The only FA I’d be interested in taking would be AJ McCarran.
I get that. If you’re going to pay a lot of money for a free agent quarterback, why not just pay Kirk? He knows the system he definitely needs a strong rushing attack and a much stronger defense but he would get the job done I think.
Right.
Makes sense 1st round pick and the younger guy.
From Riggo’s rag
Earlier today, Senior Bowl festivities carried on in Alabama, with prospects participating in weigh-ins, measurements, and team drills. NFL teams were given the opportunity to observe and analyze these events, and they were also given clearance to speak with prospects of their choice.
The Washington Redskins used this privilege wisely. They spoke with several prospects: Running back Ito Smith from Southern Mississippi, safety Quin Blanding from Virginia, running back Rashaad Penny from San Diego State, and quarterback Mike White from Western Kentucky.
Smith, 5-foot-9, 195, and Penny, 5-foot-11, 220, are both ball carriers who produced on a high level in college. Smith proved himself to be a electric and versatile weapon for the Southern Miss Golden Eagles, totaling for nearly 6,000 yards from scrimmage and 49 touchdowns in his career. Penny is viewed as a more complete runner, a possible Kareem Hunt of this draft. Penny, in particular, has tantalizing upside at the next level, but both could serve the Washington Redskins well.
Quin Blanding is a local name who will garner some Day 2 consideration. The safety had a storied career with the Virginia Cavaliers, and at 6-foot-2, 210, he offers good size as a potential traits prospect. He was beat on occasion in drills on day one of Senior Bowl practices, but he should shake off the rust as the week goes along.
And last but not least, the Redskins interviewed Western Kentucky quarterback Mike White. White, 6-foot-4, 220, put up record numbers in his time with the Hilltoppers, making a name for himself with his relative accuracy and his big arm. Per J.P Finlay, White enjoyed his interview with the Washington Redskins, pointing out that “they just talked ball the whole time”.
Pretty cool little interview with Jay. Rick may have posted this already.
5 takeaways.
http://m.redskins.com/news/article-1/Five-Takeaways-Jay-Gruden-At-The-2018-Senior-Bowl-/8659242a-f48e-42da-8f33-d6c139f9fafe
I don’t want Dallas to draft Will Hernandez.
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2013/07/01/10889045/BRSunriseIanPlant.JPG
Oops, wrong one.
That’s a hell of an image to close the night out with, Buck, thank you.
I went to the movies earlier and parked in the parking garage . After it was over when we got back to the car , some dipshit parked so close to me , I couldn’t open the door. Had to climb my big ass over the center console and gear shift , from the passenger side. All I could do not to rip his windshield wipers clean off .
Wipe your ass crack on his door handle
ha ha ha …you know they probably have cameras in those things . I would end up on you tube somehow.
Would only matter if you can be identified by your hairy ass
big , wide , hairy ass.
I’m out . Later
Later
Draft Twitter thinks it was a big victory for Mayfield to have 9 1/2″ hands.
https://twitter.com/JerodBrown_/status/956017990172053511
There’s a joke in there somewhere
I’m gonna have to sleep on it.
Whoa… TMI
https://twitter.com/NFLMemes4You/status/955824477731983361
LOL
HA!
I think I saw something somewhere about his family being wealthy . He doesn’t even have to play FB ,at least for monetary reasons.
His wife’s family has money
ok
It figures . Doubly lucky , fortunate , blessed , whatever .
Schefter: Bruce Allen ‘One of Smartest People in NFL’
see BA is great
Just such a smarmy douche
He is a great man
Tony Wylie
another smarmy douche
My new theory is that Flounder is Tony Wylie… and that all the spelling errors and so forth is overcompensation to try to hide his background as a professional communicator.
Ha
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#Browns John Dorsey indicates @seniorbowl that Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield are in the discussion for No. 1
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…reachin’
They have more QB’s than McDonalds has French fries .
When you have 2 QB’s… you have none
Maybe they take one at 1 and one at 4
Browns love to trade back.
Mason Rudolph 6’4.1″ 229
Josh Allen. 6’4.7″ 237
NC State front line
Kentavius Street
B.J. Hill
Justin Jones
Bradley Chubb
all four will be on a roster in May either drafted or signed UDFA
Dallas Goedert 260
the totally unreal trade down a bunch and reap the reward mock draft
Your score is: 21035 (GRADE: A-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 20 (DET): Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State (B)
Round 2 Pick 19 (DET): Derrick Nnadi, DT, Florida State (B)
Round 2 Pick 20 (BALT): Malik Jefferson, ILB, Texas (A)
Round 3 Pick 14: Justin Reid, FS, Stanford (A+)
Round 3 Pick 18 (DET): Braden Smith, OT/OG, Auburn (A+)
Round 3 Pick 19 (BALT): Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (A)
Round 4 Pick 13: Tony Brown, CB, Alabama (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Bo Scarbrough, RB, Alabama (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Tre’Quan Smith, WR, Central Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Eddy Pineiro, K, Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Joe Ostman, DE/OLB, Central Michigan (A+)
We would destroy the East
No Big 10 players?
Terrible draft
it was a horrible draft I took a kicker for God’s sake
Lower than Vinny took a punter
Poona Ford 306
Plus, his name is Poona
He’s like 5’11”
So he’s built like an actual Ford
Lol, like a short bed 4×4
With an 80″ wingspan.
Kick my momma in her ass if she named me that .
BJ Hill 321
I’ve seen his name when mocking but I don’t recall noticing him at NC State.
He’s on first-pick’s database.
Did you notice him today?
Didn’t see any of the SB practices. I was swamped at work
He overwhelmed some OLinemen, high energy for how big he is.
BJ Hill?
Sounds like where I used to take cheerleaders in high school.
Not the same thing.
Ahh…
His energy in the one on ones surprised me.
Will Hernandez in at a whopping 340lbs of rape and murder.
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Bruce Allen on @SiriusXMNFL: “Once we get our injured reserve guys back, that’s an infusion of 23 players in 2018.” Several of those 23 are actually free agents and several others are guys like LeShun Daniels and Arthur Jones.
Fuck Bruce…
But he’s not wrong
Grant is annoying on Twitter. That has nothing to do with this tweet but I felt it needed to be said
I had to take him off my Twitter feed… he’s a pain in the ass
He’s one of those dudes who acts like he’s an expert despite the fact that he’s just a fanboy.
I don’t know anybody like that
Grant is a “shill” for Cousins and I just checked him on it on Twitter. He’ falls on his sword for Cousins and takes jabs at Cousins.
Washington Senior Vice President of Football Operations Eric Schaeffer will handle the contract discussions for Washington, and is known as a shrewd negotiator.
Like many business deals, this will come down to money. Brown established himself as a fit in Washington, both on the field and in the locker room. Interior linebackers do not command top dollar like pass rushers do, but Brown will still expect to be compensated appropriately.
Give him 7.5, fuck it
He’s a very good player. I’d love to find a way to pay him and keep him here.
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One could easily make the case that Russ Grimm had greatest impact of any of Titans coaches. NYG, IND, DET should be seeking his services
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This sounds like some bull shit to me. The only reason the NFL went easy on the Raiders for the Rooney Rule thing was because they want them to sign Kap?
Fuck that.
That’s pretty fucked up if that’s what happened. I bet there are a ton of shady side-agreements like this behind the scenes.
…this happens and then the NFL shoots down a simple veteran commercial? That would be colossally stupid
You know that commercial is a lot more politically charged than a simple veteran commercials. I’m sure there will be plenty of military tributes at the Super Bowl.
I saw the commercial… no it wasn’t
It would be to a lot of people. I don’t blame the NFL for trying to distance themselves from that controversy.
…yet trying to force Kap on a team?
Yea… that won’t go over well.
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Josh Allen weighed in at 237 today.
Big dude, really strong arm, good mobility, but he has major accuracy issues. Seems like a project to me, not interested at 13
He’s gained about 17 pounds
In how long?
One visit to the buffett
Last reported weight was 220/222, something like that.
Dinner at the Lerebius household.
Shit I’d take that dude at 13.
He won’t be there…
Exactly. He could go first overall.
Not me, I think he’s got too much bust potential. I have no idea what I’m talking about though
I think Jay has an idea and I am fine with his assessments either way, yay or nay.
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Taller than I thought he’d be
Don’t trust that dude . Big gamble in my eyes .
He’s got a little primadonna in him but I like his accuracy and competitiveness
He’s gonna get his ass handed to him if he doesn’t humble himself a little bit . That doesn’t mean he has to lose any of his competitiveness.
Yea, he better not do any crotch grabbing in the NFL.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So contrary to Kelly’s assertion that crapping on the GM is the “cool” thing to do… it really has nothing to do with “cool.” Scot did a “fine” job if you call average fine… which is why I grade him a C. He was horrible at free agent lineman and safety. Did pretty good at bringing in stop gap free agent CB’s and also got Josh Norman. Vernon Davis was a good pickup. Ty Nsekhe was a good signing. I give him a meh for Colt and Ricky Jean Francois. But David Bruton? Pot Roast? Jeron Johnson? Kendell Reyes and Stephen Paea (whom I wanted but had to eat crow on)? Chris Culliver? Who picked up Jason Hatcher (I honestly don’t remember)?
The Brandon Scherff, Preston Smith, Jamison Crowder draft was good. Hard to argue against Scherff and Crowder. Preston Smith has been up and down but in my eyes more up than down. But Matt Jones? Then we have Sua Cravens and Josh Doctson. The Kendell Fuller draft picks looks good now, so does Ion. But, in contrast to my impressions, the later round picks have mostly washed out. Sudfeld went on to a hall of fame career in Philly sure, and Jarrett, well, looked great until an unmerciful fate. Arie? Turd. Spaight? Meh… everyone else except Keith Marshall is gone…
So, he get’s a solid C for GM’ing in my book. That’s not crapping on him… that’s my reality.
If you’re looking for a bright side that’s way better than most GM’s have been here for almost 3 decades… 3 FUCKING decades. I can’t believe it
I thought he was doing a good job. I don’t know how he was supposed to foresee Cravens changing his mind about football after a year with the Redskins.
Did it ever come out that he actually was drinking on the job, or is that still under dispute?
No one has proven that, as far as I know.
I did?
How?
I thought he at least had a vision of what kind of team they wanted to build .
It has not been proven… that was my jab at the Skins PR machine
Yeah that was some low class chicken shit stuff .
Scot good on drafting, not so good on FA
Culliver signing gets a pass from me, dude suffered career ending knee injury
Wasn’t he an injury case before he got here?
Free agency is a big part of GM’ing… usually the more expensive part if you’re this ball club.
No blew out knee ACL/MCL/PCL in practice in November
He had suffered an injury before he came to the Skins, too
Yep found it tore ACL in other knee while in SF in 2013
Kelly’s assertion was that crapping on everything and everyone is the cool thing to do.
Well crap on you then
Now I’m cool
I WILL, however, completely agree with you on your judgement of Bruce. Total turdburglar. I truly hope he is here to get a Virginia stadium deal done then is moved along. He did have one or 2 decent drafts… but he’s just so smarmy
Bree stopped the run in 2014.
Best thing about Breeland is his tackling , in my opinion .
He trucked a few dudes this year
Yeah . Good form tackler .
Would probably make a good safety
I’d be okay with moving him to safety. He commits a ton of penalties at CB.
Yeah and then it gets in his head .
Didn’t we go through that last year? Bree is bouncing.
Yea, they’re gonna let him walk.
Everybody was brainstorming Bree into a Safety.
He could be a good fit at that position. He’s a solid CB as well. I’d like to keep him but it doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen
Yeah. He stopped more running backs in ’14 the should have been allowed for a CB. Not a pussy.
He has no problems sticking his head in there… like Norman. I’m not one that thinks letting Breeland walk might not be the greatest idea. Dunbar is okay… I think Breeland is better… but he might be out of our price range
you get to keep one based on cap
Breeland or Norman
cause Breeland is going to get paid this offseason
Bleacher Report’s Top Slot Cornerbacks ranking list is out. Guess who grabbed the #1 spot?
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Fuller was easily our best CB this year, so happy to see him make such a big leap
Which is a FUCKING DRAFT HIT
That’s killer . They know how to play defense in Blacksburg . Get every guy you can .
Kinda makes me hesitant to move him outside next year though, would rather leave him in the slot
Good stuff. Cant get any better than that.
That is one amazing comeback for a guy that was getting picked on on the reg last season.
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12 Strong – Bad ass movie . Great flick .
I financed a large popcorn and two drinks .
Couldn’t agree more Kelly .
Also , not buying the they got lucky theme from earlier today .
Schwartz was a great hire , especially if they can keep him for awhile .
Absolutely
Thanks Buck
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I know it’s cool to be super critical of everything and everyone. I think Scot M did a fine job. I think Kirk is a good quarterback. I think Jay is a decent coach. I think that Dan Snyder has gotten better as an owner in terms of restraining himself.
Flounder is correct – I don’t think Bruce Allen has done a very good job. Why Bruce, specifically? Because Bruce doesn’t really have a specific job. He is the guy Dan Snyder has hired to be good at running a football team and making the right decisions to make the Redskins successful, and he hasn’t done that.
Do you think the Shanahans sucked? Bruce brought them in. Hated the RG3 deal? It happened on Bruce’s watch. $36mm salary cap fine? Bruce. Think Jay is milquetoast who can only succeed with Andy Dalton? Bruce brought him in as well. Think Scot M was a drunk and a bust? Bruce hired him. Kirk deal not getting done? Bruce again.
Overall, I think that Bruce Allen has done a good job of managing to get a football team on the field that usually isn’t completely shitty, but I don’t think you can say that he’s turned the franchise around. Blame everyone who worked for him, blame everyone he hired, blame everything you want, but he’s the guy responsible for all the things his employees did, because that’s how things work.
The ONLY way the things that happen during Bruce’s tenure aren’t Bruce’s fault is if they are Dan Snyder’s fault for overruling or undermining Bruce, or if they were done by people that Snyder insisted remain on staff when Bruce wanted them gone.
whenever I criticize Bruce Allen, Flounder gets upset
Yeah, I full expect Flounder will get upset, but I am fully not worried about that.
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Meh
B Allen and Scot McC both used the in place scouting dept that has been here for years. Promotions within this year..McC brought in no new blood. S Campbell and K Smith aka AJs son aka Bruce’s long time pal…have been/are your college draft advisors.
We will see how these dudes hopefully progress this spring…or not ?
I’d guess Kyle Smith was the one pushing Cravens.
I have no idea… but using Kyle Smith was Bruce’s idea… even if it was Scot’s idea, if you follow me. If I have a bad idea at work, my boss is equally accountable. If I hire a guy and he fucks up, that’s on me. It’s also on my boss.
No doubt. This is Bruce’s 8 year scouting department no if ands or buts.
Been BAs team. McC but a flash in the pan for hope.
Cooley sings his praises to the high heavens , for whatever that’s worth . Says the guy is an up and comer .
Lol. Im not sold on this bunch. None of us are. Somewhat better lately…but
He says Kyle Smith has real talent . IDK .
??? We will see.
Your score is: 17298 (GRADE: B-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 13: Derwin James, SS/FS, Florida State (A+)
Round 2 Pick 12: Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B)
Round 3 Pick 14: Tony Brown, CB, Alabama (A-)
Round 4 Pick 13: Frank Ragnow, C/OG, Arkansas (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Bo Scarbrough, RB, Alabama (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Mike White, QB, Western Kentucky (C-)
Round 7 Pick 13: Tre’Quan Smith, WR, Central Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Chris Worley, ILB, Ohio State (B)
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What is that man doing that semi-transparent muskrat?
It’s a grizzly. Fuckin’ 5 MB cap. He started at 6.4.
haha damn caps!
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Starting left guard for the Wyoming Vulnerable Species
Within 50 miles of you, I’m guessing.
I know nothing of college football. Is that Stanford?
Yes
Loved Kirk Cousins in ‘Pulp Fiction.’
Patted people’s heads in that movie too.
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Zed’s dead
All things considered, give Scot McCloughan a grade as GM.
B+ for drafted players
C- for free agents
B+ draft
B FA (teams, Norman)
Whoa! Really….a B+ for draft?
I can’t give him a B+ with a #1 overall pick who’s “flashed”….a BUST 3rd round pick RB….and a MIA 2nd round pick….no way….
I’d give him a C
C for drafting
D for FA
F for drinking on the job…
Plainly… he missed in rounds that should be hits. He hit in some rounds that are typically JAGs or worse… but you just can’t miss on first and second rounders… 3rd rounders need to be contributors.
B-
Cravens probably will not be back
but we not may be able to trade him either
rumor is that teams are concerned he may have some form of bi-polar disorder
The violence of professional football is not for everybody. There’s no shame in that. Players way better than him have hung it up after getting their bell rung one too many times. I would wish him well but he’s really been a whiny, entitled bitch who quit like a loser.
He’s dead to me.
….but that doesn’t mean I’d let him off the hook. If I’m the Redskins, I don’t get all “soft” and let him walk.
No. I hear you. He’s not playing football, period, until his rookie contract goes belly up. But it’s probably all moot because he’s dunzo.
No way I’d release him without anything in return. I’d let him rot until his contact expires.
I hope we take a defensive stud who can start in week 1. We are just a few pieces from being a top-10 defense which I want to say we were in the fist few weeks of the season before we started losing dudes to injury.
this I agree with we just had no depth
I’d be OK if we drafted a defensive player in every round.
Yup…I think the Redskins need 1-2 more IMPACT players on D…gotta use free agency too.
Fabian Moreau
SOURCES TELL US “He’s big and strong but I just want him to play with more edge. He should be whipping and overwhelming some of these skinny receivers but he just lets them take too many liberties. I would want to bust their ass and let them know whats up early in the game.” — NFC West regional scout
NFL COMPARISON Darqueze Dennard
BOTTOM LINE Moreau is an explosive athlete who had to transition from running back over to cornerback. While the transition has taken some time thanks to inexperience and his 2015 injury, Moreau’s tape shows a more confident and consistent cover man than before. Moreau’s strength, speed and athleticism will move him up draft boards, but a torn pectoral muscle at his pro day could cause him to drop by a round.
He started the draft season last year as a S/CB
Working his way up the pecking order.
I tried…..but couldn’t handle the pecking order -Suzy
I believe I told you all last week that Mason Rudolph was the guy that Jay had taken an interest in
Who is this Mason Randolph person you speak of?
Rudolph QB OK St
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Yup
I think he is a Jay guy for sure I just don’t see us taking him at 13.
No I’m not THE IT guy at work just an upper tier IT guy
The wonks that defend the network block tons of sites, so I was actually surprised that I could post here from work
The thing was this site did not get enough traffic to get picked up by the black listing sites
Now that there is a bunch of traffic on this site, it’s classified as a Sports & Entertainment site, so it’s now verboten
So I guess I will see you all only in the evenings
or stop by WaPo and vists me & Moe sometime during the day
Use your phone.
and…….. sorry for getting you blocked.
Except for the fact that I’m inside a giant Faraday cage that would be an awesome idea
That’s right…… banking
yes you have to go outside to use you phone
they are piloting a guest wifi network so people can use wifi calling on their cells
too many of the young can’t live without their cell phone connections
the really important folk have Blackberry devices that they can only use to e-mail and IM
no phone, no text, no internet on them
Vea is a massive defensive tackle prospect with remarkable power, quickness and agility. He’s a dominant run defender, routinely resetting the line of scrimmage against both individual blockers and double-teams. He’s quick to shoot his hands, latch on and toss opposing blockers before quickly pursuing the football. He has rare lateral range for a 340-pound defender. He also flashes the ability to use his quickness to split gaps and create negative plays. As a pass rusher, he has a nasty slap/swim move. He can roll his hips and generate pocket push with his power. There are times where he plays too tall and consequently gets controlled. That can be improved. Overall, Vea is a more athletic version of Haloti Ngata and should quickly emerge as a Pro Bowl player.
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Lordy lord…Vea, Allen, Ioannidis, Lanier
We were pimping Vea last offseason. The guys lateral quickness for a man his size is astonishing
SOURCES TELL US “He’s a really talented pass rusher but he’s always been surrounded by enough talent that it’s been hard for offenses to game plan their protection for him. He’s skilled and very fundamentally sound but I just worry about his size and how he holds up to NFL running games.” — NFC director of player personnel
NFL COMPARISON Fletcher Cox
BOTTOM LINE Outstanding leader and athlete with an ability to rush the passer from outside or inside. Has produced against the run and pass thanks to his strength, agility, elite hand usage, and plus footwork. He might not be the cleanest fit inside as a full-time tackle for some teams, but his talent should trump any size concerns. Allen is a likely first-round selection with Pro Bowl potential down the road.
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Jon Allen…
they obviously don’t know what the hell they’re doing! I didn’t read anything about his weak Achilles heels! Garbage, pure garbage.
Daniel Jeremiah releases his first Top 50 list.
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Likely first-round quarterback Mason Rudolph says it’d be a “childhood dream” to be drafted by the #Redskins this April 👀
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FYI…he’s a close friend of Joe Gibbs’ son.
Rudolph is not a likely 1st round pick.
2-3 round more like it.
I disagree… his “winnabillity” alone will get him taken in the first
We’ll see he is not projected as a 1st rounder.
If he’s there in the 2nd when we pick he’ll be a Redskin… hell, he might be a Redskin in the 1st.
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Redskins Senior Bowl meetings today include
S Quin Blanding
RB Rashaad Penny
QB Mason Rudolph
Rudolph has good tape @boileroom
…and will be there at 13.
They were breaking down his progressions, how he sees the defense.
– Are you saying and suggesting that Rudolph is worth taking with our number 13 pick?
No…but you know how it is…teams will get a “woody” and “reach” for one of these guys.
Rudolph will be there in the second round.
Yeah I’m sure they met with more people then that.
They’re holding out on you, flounder…
Penny got crushed on one run this afternoon and coughed up the ball. I like his tape, though.
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Hey gang…take a look at this if you have a couple minutes…
Once upon a time our defense was pretty good early on.
Thanks man, I needed that.
Yeah Zig!
That gives me a little hope…our D was halfway decent….even against the Seahawks.
DJ and Norman clownin’ lol
This was Montae Nicholson’s SCOUTING REPORT
SOURCES TELL US “Big and beautiful with no impact on the game whatsoever. He just doesn’t have the aggressiveness you need to play this game on this level.” — AFC national scout
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Like Doug Williams said…a crapshoot.
Raiders scout…….a few years back “Amerson is da bomb!”
We will see.
Damn the NFL shaking my head. I love watching on Sundays and that’s what they count on. As a veteran though I’m disgusted with them. Two veterans groups wanted to run an ad during the Super Bowl and all it said was, please stand. The NFL rejected Those ads what the f***?
Molten lava
Fuck them!
It’s bad for business, also, most valuable airtime there is.
Supporting the veterans is not bad for business.
The anthem controversy is bad for business.
How much money does 30 seconds of airtime cost during the Superbowl?
Not saying it’s right, just why I think it is.
then I don’t want to see any kind of ridiculous fake accolades directed towards our military. If you can’t stand for the national anthem I really don’t want the other nonsense. It’s all fake. In my humble opinion
But it’s not fake money.
Yea… that’s pretty shitty stuff there. Not happy with them.
I hope Su’a doesn’t come back. We don’t need issues, no matter who it is.
If he had concussion symptoms, why didn’t that come out?
A player I’m most interested in seeing next season is Montae Nicholson…If he can stay healthy, we’ve FINALLY got FS locked down.
He surprised the shit out of me with his instincts and range.
I got a call from the Washington Redskins today pitchin’ season tickets to me…Club Level seats for about $2,500.00 for 10 games…
Not too shabby…
Buy in low…
“I was there for every home game ___________’s epic rookie season” – Rick
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Nice interview with Jay Gruden by JP Finlay…
You guys should reach out to Finlay, try to get some kind of professional friendship going.
Can’t do it…I think there’s something in their contract against getting with another blog or podcast….but I get where you’re goin’
If you talk on the phone, I mean……….you ain’t gotta drop names, lol
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“It seems like we keep putting this thing off and off and off.”
Jay Gruden’s ready for the #Redskins and Kirk Cousins to come to a decision:
Jay is in tune with hamster nation
Me to move on already.
Pit of misery! – k0n
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Jay Gruden just told the team website that “Ty Nsekhe is going to be out for a while” and they’ll be short tackles for OTAs. Nsekhe left the Giants game with a knee injury.
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Father time…
We have an entire off season to take care of that.
That sumbitch is on my case like a big dog.
That CB from Dubuque was impressive. Michael Joseph.
Blue helmet?
Yeah — royal blue.
Yup, agreed.
You don’t see many dbs giving Berrios no separation.
So is that our new slot receiver?
Harrison Phillips is a whole career on one team player.
He looked good.
I will he’d last till 2
Not sure we’d take him after Vea. 😛
1 Vea
2 Phillips
3 BPA
Hahaha!
It’s all about the game tape….all this senior bowl, combine is just cole slaw.
Yeah, but it’s visual data.
I think tells you something. Especially for the smaller school guys who don’t face this level of competition.
Mayfield throws like a shortstop or third baseman, really fluid.
Throwing dimes, too.
That last one in 11s was pretty.
Is the senior bowl stuff on now
It just went off.
Damn…ok…thanks.
Hernandez is a beast. Incognito is a good comp.
Yeah, unless you can beat him right away, he’s gonna thump you.
…also you have to look at how much money you’d have tied up in your offensive line. Trent and Morgan are making big bucks and Scherff’s gonna command a pretty penny. Do you wanna pay Long too?
To Alex’ point below…I get what you’re saying about keeping drafted talent for their 2nd deals. I’m with you, but is Breeland irreplaceable? There was not much drop off when he was out and Dunbar was in. I actually think they need to try to sign Long.
We can’t keep everybody, and if you sign Kirk you REALLY can’t keep everybody.
Lee threw a pick
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
-Nova
Josh Allen ended pretty well.
I’m a dog walk behind.
Lol
Hill is pretty fast for a Klingon
HP#66
Oops
Day 1 MVP: Braxton Berrios
-DJ
Hernandez
Catch your breath, Mike……J Smith
There will be no fullbacks – Jay
I can’t see it, no NFLN, but sometimes you can get NFLN audio on TuneIn, but they stopped that at 4PM and have “No Huddle” on
Sorry
HAHA
if you want Mayfield, might have to jump Denver
one thing that people are thinking is impossible is that Cousins returns to the Skins after testing the FA water
Vita Vea is No. 9 on Jeremiah’s big board.
Hernandez sighting
Did you mean hanging?
No, I did not. #76 would turn you out.
Mayfield throws like a shortstop.
Lamar Jackson gots better feets den all dem.
Better but are they bigger?
They damn sure don’t get that wide apart before he steps in.
Wide feets
Mayfield doesn’t look any shorter then any of those other guy playing QB.
yeah they need to lower those “prototypical” QB traits. Plenty of guys get by at 6’0″ or so. With all the roll-outs, RPO and movement outside the pocket, “seeing” over taller OL/DL isn’t necessary per se.
Through out the history of the NFL there’s proof of bad teams taking a “Misfit toys” approach to building their roster and suddenly re-shaping the game. The 3-4 was originally all about finding undervalued DE’s who were too small, drafting them late and making them OLB’s. The change from big blocking TE’s as a norm to smaller guys who could catch. The league is desperate for someone to figure out the next “type” that is coming out of college, not utilized, and then finding a way to make them a deadly weapon in the NFL.
Andrew Siciliano is a short big eared weird looking motherfucker.
He has the prince Charles ears.
Martin Lawrence.
He can’t be taller than 5’3″.
Too bad about Rudolph not being there.
Shut up! – NoVaMike
Skins aren’t going to go after Lee, not enough marketing juice. he’ll go to a New Orleans or New England mid rounds
You’re still a fan, regardless…….am I right?
Lee isn’t T Frazier
I would like to see Falk he might be there in the 3 round.
He’s been one of those guys I’ve wondered about, played well on what’s really not a historically talented team in Wash St.
Yeah very accurate also.
He gots wide feets
do you think the Skins will wait that long to draft a QB if they lose Cousins?
How are the Broncos coaching they fired the majority of their HC’s coaching staff?
How are they coaching the senior bowl when their Head Coach isn’t good?
I thought that is how they got the coaches.
I keep hearing as much good as I do bad about Baker Mayfield. If the good out ways the bad and he falls to 13 he could be a steal at 13. Of course you can’t fix 6’1″.
Lifts.
Aaron Rodgers is 6′ 2″
Why do I keep thinking Drew Breeze?
Or Russell Wilson.
Right
Though it’s nice to have a QB who’s 6’4, (the ideal height). There are plenty who have got it done while being small for the position.
Nonsense.
— D. Flutie
I want a QB with a mind like a diamond
I want a QB who knows what’s best
I want a QB with cleats that cut
And eyes that burn like cigarettes
I want a QB with the right progressions
Who’s fast, thorough, and sharp as a tack
He’s playing with his GameBoy
He’s putting up his stats
He’s touring the facilities
And picking up slack
I want a QB with a short memory and a LTD.
I want a QB who gets up early
I want a QB who stays up late
I want a QB with uninterrupted prosperity
Who uses his agent, to cut through red tape
With touchdowns that shine like justice
And a voice that is dark like tinted glass
He is fast, thorough, and sharp as a tack
He’s touring the facilities and picking up slack
I want a QB with a short memory and a long, LTD.
I want a QB with a smooth liquidation
I want a QB with good dividends
At FedEx Park we will meet accidentally
We’ll start to talk when he borrows my pen
He wants a van with a cup holder armrest
He wants a van that will get him there
He’s changing his name
From Kirk to Josh (Baker or Lamar or Luke or whatever)
He’s trading his GMC Savana for a white Mercedes Sprinter
I want a QB with a short memory and a LTD.
So…..you want a QB that’ll leave you at the altar?
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Jay Gruden (via @CraigHoffman): “We tried to get Calais Campbell last year, but we ended up getting Stacy McGee and… Who was the other one? Oh, yeah. McClain.”
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Someone need to explain to our front office that signing two sub-mediocre talents for the same cost it would take to sign one outstanding player will not have the same results of signing that one outstanding player. Not sure they get this.
What one outstanding player would that be?
Campbell cost much more then both of them combined.
Those two cost like $13/yr. He was $15.
I would have to look at the numbers but he signed a 4 year 60mil contract.
They cost around 10 mil per year.
McGee- 5 year 25 M. 3.2 M hit in 2017
McClain- 4 year 21 M. 3.7 M hit in ’17
Campbell- 4 year 60 M. 10.5 M hit in ’17.
So the difference is 14 M in terms of total money offered, and 4 mil in cap hit this year. I get what you are saying, we are overpaying those two. But it’s not the same amount of money in the end.
Jay’s comment had to be a joke. Please say he was joking?
I would think so.
OMG, what a bunch of nit picks. It was a joke. Flunder was coming to defend the Skins FO – to be expected as he is their senior PR person.
Brushing teeth with Coors Light
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Scot drafted a few guys who seem to have no interest in playing football. He missed badly on Cravens.
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He goes by Susie.
I thought he went by Mrs. Polly Humperdink.
I expect you’ll see Cravens back in the NFL sooner than you’d think, and probably playing well. The guy played well his first year. I have no idea what demons surfaced prior to year two, but I dunno how you put it on the GM that he didn’t anticipate the guy quitting the second year. Cravens comes from a football family, he knew the deal.
Here’s what you CAN’T do:
1. You can’t miss (as much as we do) on high round draft picks.
2. You can’t miss on free agents as much as we have.
3. You can’t let the talent you do hit on wander off to other teams as soon as they become free agents……
Sheeeeeeeat- Bruce
Like who?
Well right now Long, Breeland and Cousins would be the names for this season, sounds like all 3 will be gone. But we could go back through past guys like Ryan Clark and Antonio Pierce, to see that it’s not exactly a new trend for the Skins.
Alex…some of that falls on the coaching carousel. Some coaches want “their” guys.
Or some of it falls on the fact that the guys have a choice it’s called Free agency for a reason name me a team that keeps all its home grown talent.
Long and Breeland have already been replaced so do you want to keep them on high contracts even though you have already replaced them? Cousins has refused to negotiate with us his leaving is on him and he is not worth the contract he wants. Ryan Clark was a bad decision Pierce wasn’t a big deal. Some guys choose to leave can’t keep everyone they have a choice
Pierce was a BIG deal.
Not really we had a much better ILB.
Lemar Marshall was better than Pierce?
London Fletcher
That was 2 years later dude.
04- Pierce
05- Marshall
06- Marshall
07- Fletcher
Disagree that we have really replaced either of those guys. Long would be a better LG option than anyone else we’ve got right now. Fuller has talent but I’d rather they keep him in the slot, Moreau’s unproven.
We can find a better LG then Long and Breeland hasn’t been that good since Norman showed up.
No choice if you pay one man 30 million dollars.
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Jay Gruden (via @CraigHoffman): “We tried to get Calais Campbell last year, but we ended up getting Stacy McGee and… Who was the other one? Oh, yeah. McClain.”
If I recall, skins offer was too low.
He signed a 4 year 60mil contract and Jacksonville had a lot more cap space then we did.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/calais-campbell-3941/
Lol
LOL
Jay may not be able to manage the game in the last two minutes, but he’s a funny dude.
And unfortunately they’ll probably both be back, at least McClain almost certainly will
Can’t miss with a Penn State RB, LOL heard that lie a few times.
Funny think we saw Even Royster out delivering mail last week.
I was talking about guys who went in the top of the draft but yeah he works also.
Franchise tag for Keenum will be in the 23-24mil range, that means any long term deal for Bridgwater would take their QB cap hit to over 30mil.
Even if you convince him to take a low ball offer it’s still probably 10 million.
Yep and why would he take a contract to be a backup when he could get the same or more money to start somewhere.
I think his train of thought is that Bridgewater is their guy and Keenum would be a rental under that scenario
I understood his logic, but yeah I don’t think he worked out the $$$
Yeah most of those guys just talk without actually doing the research to see if it’s possible.
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Redskins Senior VP of Player Personnel Doug Williams to reporters at the Senior Bowl: “I’ve always said that the draft is like a crapshoot sometimes.” From the “football player” era to the “crapshoot” era.
It was a crapshoot when Scot was here also.
It’s more a point about mindset and team building.
Yes they both obviously want to find football players but the draft is a crapshoot for every FO’s in the league.
Scot drafted a few guys who seem to have no interest in playing football. He missed badly on Cravens.
Setting up his out?
Any numbers on Mayfield yet?
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I meant height?
4’9″
420
He missed the weigh-in. They’re going to do it after practice and distribute the results tomorrow morning.
Time to man up, y’all!
Kordell Stewart: (vikings QB situation) thinks maybe the move is if you believe in Bridgewater you sign him to a 3 or so year deal and Franchise Keenum, and Bradford is the odd man out
Yeah not going to happen because that would cost way to much money, and why would Bridgwater want to be a backup?
2 of those guys will be gone any talk of keeping two of them is nonsense.
I just don’t see them keeping 2 of them. Not a one of those guys should expect to sign for anything less than 15 Mill a year, and Keenum is probably worth the 20+ range.
Kordell = CTE OR just stoopid.
Any word on how the QB’s look?
Hard to tell. D kind of dominated the South practice.
Yeah same thing happened last week at the East West game.
If the Shaquem Griffin — the one-handed guy from UCF — is available in the 4th round or lower I would definitely use a pick on him. Dude is a baller.
might be able to go lower, but man, as a “and long” down RUSH LB, you gotta like him
Agree, he’ll probably be there in the 5th, especially if he’s not invited to the Combine, and he hasn’t been invited yet.
Sorry, just don’t see NFL GM’s having the guts to take a guy with 1 hand in anything above the 7th round, if that. We are talking about a league that freaked out over a gay linebacker a few years ago.
Be interesting. If he had two hands with the same numbers I think he’d get 3rd round consideration. 18.5 sacks and 33.5 TFL in the last two years.
Gay linebacker that sucked.
But was projected to be a 3rd or 4th rounder, and went in the 7th round? And are we sure he sucked or was it the Jeff Fischer effect.
too small to play DE, too slow to play LB
One handed? Well just don’t plan on many INT’s from the guy.
He actually had 4 INTs!
Let’s be done with it and trade up for Rosen.
Ok QGC…
As much as I think a Jewish QB would be a great change of pace from weird preachy Christian QB’s. I don’t wanna spend all that draft capital to trade up, just call me cheap.
I want a pagan heathen QB.
Johnny Manziel?
Idts
No thanks.
Fuckin’ grow a paid and do it. Own that mutha.
Buncha candy asses round here.
C’mon, man, that dude will get manhandled in the NFL.
Cappa just gave up another sack from the RT spot.
Who’s beating him
Everyone. lol
Owusa got him last time.
Freakin’ call of duty!
Wait. I thought Bruce doesn’t do any actual talent scouting or on the field football stuff. Right?
He’s not scouting talent he’s just out to troll for hot chicks.
He’s there for the martinis.
Talented hot chicks? He’ll draft the dead fish.
Yes that’s right Bruce doesn’t Scout Flubber tewwg scrub-a-dub-dub
Our boy Cappa having problems against speed. Just got whipped by the one-handed dude from UCF (Griffin).
Jay threw 18 TD 21 INTs and 17 – 18 in 85/86.
TBF, the teams he was on at Louisville were hot garbage, 10 years with out a winning record till his senior year when they won 8 games.
Yeah, that’s fair
Bozeman, the Bama center, looked good at OG in the first set of one-on-ones.
Keep an eye out for Deadrin
7th round steal!
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It’s the GM’s job to scout Bruce, get back in the kitchen and make me a pie.
Thaks B’s couse Bruce does;t scote players!
Jay rushed for -460 yds. at Louisville. LOL
Junior or Senior year, very high number of INTs as a Senior, also.
That’s total.
Look at his last two vs. before.
Yeah, not sure what’s up there. Either he was splitting time the first two years or they totally changed the offense.
Not Mayfield
I know.
Looks like he was splitting time with Ed Rubbert for his 1st 2 seasons.
Who’s a name any redskins fan should know.
Yet no ring……My youth pastor had to drink a blender full of raw eggs because he lost the bet with us kids that Denver would win the Superbowl. He was from California. I was 11 or 12, we watched the game on the projector in the church sanctuary.
Steve “other than that he may remind you of Arena League era Jay Gruden”
Who said that? I don’t see any Jay Gruden in Mayfield’s play.
Thank you.
Gruden in terms of ability coming out of college was knocked for not having a strong arm, and was too short at 6 foot.
And fat.
That’s post playing career fat.
Not what I’m referring to.
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That’s Louisville Jay. At around the time I think he set the passing yards record.
I looked for the article today, something I read back when they hired him, about his scouting coming out of college. I remember “short”, “weak arm”, “out of shape”. It’s nowhere to be found, now.
Watch the game I posted earlier vs. Kurt Warner, nothing like Mayfield.
I read up a lot about Gruden over the last 10+ years. Yes the “short and weak arm” things I’ve seen, never saw “out of shape” till much later.
It’s not something I “saw”, it was written in part of the “why the NFL didn’t want him” thing. I’ve only found one play on video of Jay at Louisville. You can watch whole games of vintage Storm.
I searched for it earlier after Austin made the comparison. Maybe what Austin sees is the competitive comparison?
Yet he’s ranked 4th all time at Louisville
44 TDs, 54 INTs.
Winning?
Mayfield:
131 TDs, 30 INTs
Watch them play, no physical traits or mannerisms that I can equate. Apple, meet Orange
Granted we are talking a different era of football.
He thinks we’re saying Jay was better than Baker is. A positive outlook here is that our dear friend will finally move on from Griffy.
He does? lol
Somebody here when I checked in earlier today.
Big SB buzz over DE/OLB Marcus Davenport from Texas San Antonio. Mayock and Jeremiah saying the dude could go in the top 10 before all’s said and done.
Good that will push someone back to us.
Somebody really needs to explain to me what they see in Mayfield that’s so incredible, other than that he may remind you of Arena League era Jay Gruden. I don’t dislike the guy, mind you. What I see is a guy who has plenty of leadership ability, natural aggressiveness in a good way, and a live arm, but is also a QB who doesn’t read the field and go through progressions from the pocket well, played extensively out of the shotgun off of play action, but not under center, has some footwork issues, played in the defense-deficient Big 12 and will generally be a project for whom the Redskins would have to modify their offense pretty extensively for awhile, to include probably cutting the field in half for him.
Help.
I do not want him on our Redskins.
I am in lock step with you
Not at thirteen
No thanks
He’s nothing like Gruden in any era, IMO.
What I see in him is a guy who has terrific accuracy, mobility to extend plays and scramble when necessary, and a lot of competitive fire and leadership ability. And of course tremendous production over a number of years.
If you’re going to discount him because he’s a spread QB then you can pretty much knock out all of the top names.
except for, well, you know
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A progressive failure
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
Poof!
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Rudolph and Jackson read the field well, work the Safeties.
So does Mayfield. One of the things you always hear about him is how well he manipulates safeties.
And cats….
C’mon man, er’rybody so serious today…..
Brandon Scherff made “Sit ‘Em Down” on NFL Live for pancaking someone.
Breaking in to announce that the Baker has landed. REPEAT: Baker Mayfield has landed in Mobile!
Lebron posted a lengthy congratulations to himself on instagram for reaching 30,000 points
Even though he has not actually reached 30,000 points
Smdh
Am I confused or am I drunk?
What a lame move. Really bad hair transplant too.
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Noone can’t post over here anymore….
I thought Tampa was the IT guy for his work…..
Yeah….. defeated
He may be AN IT guy, but maybe not THE IT guy,.,,,
I see what you did there.
Jay Gruden could learn something from the HSU spring program.
This kid reminds me of my older brother, lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuNKeXXTbp4
Humboldt State has to have some really mad weed.
You know it. He’s a Cali kid anyway, they all talk like that.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/17/tucker_carlson_interviews_baffling_head_of_group_claiming_to_be_behind_anti-trump_protest_ruse.html
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn’t know D_C was on The Tucker Carlson Show!
If Josh Allen looks 14, Luke Falk looks like he’s 28.
Sunscreen…. so vital
Casserly talking about what makes a good HC. Says Dan Rooney told him the two most important traits are leadership and communication. I think Jay’s a good communicator.
Every QB interview is going to sound great now. It’s part of the “hype”…. I want:
1. A QB that’s started at least 3 years at the college level.
2. >60% completion pctg.
3. 6′ 2” or better; 210-220lbs
4. 30+ starts
5. Played well against top talent and when lights were big.
6. No major law troubles
Sounds like Parcells’ checklist.
Mostly agree but I’d put more emphasis on accuracy than height.
how do you measure accuracy?
lots of college QBs aren’t throwing through NFL windows, they’re throwing to guys that the system gets relatively open or guys who are just superior than their competition most of the time. and like the ol J Winston issue: he threw a lot of picks based on WR expectation, and his WRs failed many of those times. it is really hard to eval these guys, especially the BigXII QBs
Some analysts look at separation. You can filter out drops. At the end of the day I guess you’ve just got to watch lots of film and see what it looks like.
De feets, watch de feets, speshly de back foots.
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Josh Allen told me his greatest strength is ability to throw downfield when a play breaks down. Impressive dude. The hype makes sense.
Kirk can do that too….but the other team catches the ball.
Josh Allen and Tanner Lee tied for the biggest hands of the QBs at the Sr Bowl
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Yes please
If he goes to the Saints would he be a Cappa Delta?
Not 100% clear on the transition tag, but I assume that Cousins doesn’t HAVE to accept any offer that another team puts out there? I mean, if the best offer he gets is $22M/yr., and Skins match, does he have sign the deal, or can he instead play out the year on the tag?
Kirk can sign the Redskins matching offer and play or sit out the season.
He doesn’t have to sign the offer sheet from the other team, but once he does, and the Redskins match, then he would have to either play for the Redskins or sit.
KFC is putting an assembly-required bluetooth drone in the boxes of chicken wings.
The problems is, they’re only doing it for two days.
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and oh yeah… only in India
S Dakota St. TE Dallas Goedert is supposed to be pretty good. Definitely has great measurable: 6’4 1/2″, 260 lbs., 10 1/8″ hands, 34″ arms.
used to be the guy I took all the time in my mocks, but he must have moved up the boards in the very real fake mockery
The formula for success is very clear every season. If you have the following 5 things, your chances of contending greatly improve:
1. Smart and efficient QB who doesn’t turn the ball over frequently
2. Defense that doesn’t give up many points (look at NE and PHI, and the other playoff teams)
3. Players who buy into the systems being coached, and holding each other accountable.
4. Good coaching, game planning, and making adjustments when **** isn’t working
5. Leadership (Off/Def) on and off the football field
Or………let him bounce the fuck up outta here and fire Bruce, moving forward, freshly.
Josh Allen looks 12.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUPx73bXcAEUeym.jpg:large
Only because he shaved last Wednesday.
Franchise tag: This tag carries a salary of about $34.5 million. Cousins could not negotiate with other teams as there is no non-exclusive option on a third career franchise tag. At his radio event the week after the season ended, Cousins said that he would just sign the tag and play for the Redskins. They could trade Cousins after he signs the tag, although the salary would make that difficult to do.
Pros: It would virtually assure that the Redskins would have Cousins for 2018. They would have until July 15 to try to negotiate a long-term deal with him.
Cons: You can’t make the case that Cousins, or any player not named Brady or Rodgers, could justify a $34.5 million salary for one year. And since a fourth franchise tag is not permitted, it would almost certainly set up a scenario where Cousins plays one more year and then he is done in DC. That’s not how to get the certainty at the position that Jay Gruden desires.
There is a fourth option, which would be to sign Cousins before the deadline. But earlier this month Cousins said that he would not be interested in doing that; his preference is to wait until March. Perhaps things can change but Cousins was quite definitive in what he said.
Transition tag: This tag carries a salary of $28.8 million and it allows Cousins to talk to other teams. If he gets an offer sheet from one of them, the Redskins would have five days to match it. If they don’t match, Cousins goes to the other team for no compensation. Another possible outcome could be Cousins signing the tag and staying in Washington for the fully guaranteed $28.8 million salary.
Pros: There also would be a good chance of ending the uncertainty, with Cousins either ending up gone at the end of the process or under a long-term contract in Washington. It also would give Cousins what he wants, the ability to test the open market, while giving the Redskins a shot at keeping him at the same time.
Cons: A team with adequate cap space could front load an offer and make it very difficult for the Redskins to match. There would be no compensation if Cousins left because the Redskins declined to match an offer sheet. And there is the possibility that the QB uncertainty could linger for another year if Cousins signs the tag.
From Tandler:
No tag, let him hit free agency—This would allow Cousins to become a free agent at 4 p.m. on March 14, when the new league years starts. The Redskins could make him an offer and they could ask the Cousins camp to give them an opportunity to match any offer they might be considering. But Cousins would be under no obligation to do so.
Pros: It would end the uncertainty once and for all. When the process is over, Cousins will either be a Redskin in the long term or be playing for another team. This also is the only way the Redskins can qualify for a compensatory draft pick if Cousins does sign elsewhere.
Cons: The most likely outcome is that the Redskins would be starting over at quarterback in 2018, something they are not ready to do. A large segment of the fan base would be angry if the Redskins just let Cousins walk out the door.
Bye Felicia.
We will be seeing multiple other players walking in our door.
Tandler needs to go back to TI. We’ve already covered this material.
Maybe RG and his new girl can take over Fixer Upper from Chip and Joanna Gaines on HGTV. He already did one episode with them. He’s cornball enough to do that. Plus it’s central to Waco.
You can film a show like that anywhere. But doing it in someplace like Waco is good because it’s less expensive than a big city like NYC.
I kinda want a new QB. Situation has gotten very stale.
Josh Allen at the podium: he’s got the KC touch with the press.
That oozes contempt.
Woman reporters want to be with him, male reporters also want to be with him.
HA!
RGIII was terrible on ESPN’s NFL Live when he came on as a guest. Sitting along side winners and champions, he had zero credibility and he was talking like some All-Pro QB. Can’t see any demand for him. Hope he saved money. His house in Creighton Farms is still on the market. I bet Jay laughs each morning when he pulls out of his driveway and sees that sign.
Yeah I don’t think he has the personalty to be on one of those shows.
He’s a cornball Brotha
RGIII could do something in TV, he can speak coherently, but he needs to realize that he won’t be taken seriously when talking about the NFL.
If I were his agent I’d advise him to try and work towards a job calling college football games.
Maybe locally for his alma mater. That’s as far as I see him going in that biz.
That’s it.
Branch Davidian tour guide?
That place was demolished a long time ago.
They have a new church there.
I was thinking a bit hire, just doing Big 12 games.
If Tebow can be an SEC analyst, RG3 can be a Big 12 analyst, at least.
At most.
Tebow was one of the best college players ever; of all time. He also won a playoff game. he’s also 1000 times more credible than RG and comes off as less of a douche than RG.
All of that is true, but RG3 is still beloved around Waco. I think he could probably do it fairly well for the Big 12 network, perhaps.
Agree. I think he would be okay in his college town. Lots of young sluts.
Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk takes a look at the Jaguars’ options at quarterback this offseason.
As of now, Blake Bortles is in line to be paid $19 million for the 2018 season under the fifth-year option of his rookie contract. This figure will become fully guaranteed at the start of the 2018 league year.
Jacksonville could try to sign Bortles to an extension this offseason. However, Florio mentions that his agent will likely set the starting point at the $19 million he’s owed for the upcoming seasons in terms of an annual salary.
The Jaguars could allow Bortles to play out the year under the fifth-year option and use the 2018 season to further evaluate his development, which would set up a situation where they may have to franchise him next year.
Florio adds that Jacksonville could cut Bortles and allow him to test the open market before deciding whether to re-sign him.
The last option would be to simply release Bortles and begin searching for a new quarterback.
I think they keep him.
Keep him for 1 year and do the franchise Kirk path, or sign him to an extension now? Tough call.
I think they get a LTD done with him.
Regarding Lamar Jackson:
I think its necessary to have an OC/HC adapt their offense to allow a QB to transition into the pocket passer we expect. See the former top 2 picks of the 2016 draft. Alex Smith in his latter years. Can Jay do that?
I don’t even want to hear about anyone the team (Gruden) has yet to meet with.
He worked wonders with RGIII.
Who flat out sucks, compared to Jackson. Neither of which is Jay’s “type”, IMO.
Agreed Jay is looking for a Andy Dalton type.
Oof!
Disagree, but not the point. We’ve seen what Jay does when he gets a spread QB who needs to be transitioned to his WC offense. Basically there is no transition. The QB’s gotta fish or cut bait.
Well I don’t think Jay is going to change his system.
Meh….
Baker Mayfield to arrive late for 1st day of SB practice because he had a “family issue.”
Not what you wanted to see if you’re interested in this guy.
He wants to fall to the Patriots.
Cut the guy some slack. His hamster died.
Mayfield family is in disarray.
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A 9-year-old accidentally shared her grandpa’s marijuana gummies with her fifth-grade class
This is something I can see my son and my dad doing lol.
Fun little story. My parents were no strangers to smoking pot, they didn’t ever intentionally do it around me when I was a kid but there were parties where I’d see them do it and they didn’t realize. When I was 3 or 4 years old my grandmother started smoking a cigarette in the car and I asked her why she wasn’t sharing it.
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so…. you’re pleased with the last 25 years? only someone who did not give a shit could be pleased. we are now a bottom-of-the-barrel type nfl franchise.
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You shitting me? There has been a lot to be pleased with as a fan over the last 25 years but the team is probably more a victim of it’s own historical success under Gibbs 1.0 and then winning the division a couple times after his departure, a couple playoff runs under Gibbs 2.0, the Midnight Miracle, RG’s rookie year and the division title again in 2012…..that’s just what comes to mind.
No dude, being a fan should not hinge on winning every single season……it’s about your overall life experience with a team that you fell for at some point; probably when you were a kid. You come to learn that this team is sometimes more important news than the governmental goings on of the town they call home.
Don’t be such a penis.
I never said I was pleased I said they are a middle of the pack team and just because I don’t cry like a bitch every post doesn’t mean I’m happy.
You act like a fan who is done and if that’s the case then sorry.
flounder,
the redskins now aspire to “middle of the pack”. we are pleased with a 9-7 record. we brag about how 8-7-1 is still a winning record. “two winning seasons in a row!”
How do you know what they aspire to be? I’m pleased with 9-7 if the alternative is 3-4 wins why wouldn’t I be? If your only going to be happy if were in the playoffs every year and winning SB’s then your not going to be happy. Their are very few teams who do that.
The below post is to walter not you NPI.
Thanks….I responded to the sentiment as well.
Is that okay with you? Are you drinking at work? You never seen someone speak to an earlier post before?
Yes and I agree with you.
this is a good write-up. It doesn’t compare actual draft picks and FAs that’s still with the team from the Kelly years but I believe he had some decent drafts while we were pissing away 1st-2nd round picks over that same time. That really sums it up…
I want a Quarterback that has very good accuracy and touch, strong footwork a mechanics, with a side order of Gunslinger. He doesn’t have to run, just slide away from pressure.
Stafford?
He’s ancient history
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Ok I just watched a 12 minute Highlight tape of Lamar Jackson on Youtube with some pretty bad hip hop as background music (that was very torturous for me),.,., anyways….he is fast as shit. Makes everyone else on the field look like slow motion. But if he runs like that in the NFL he’ll be dead in a season or 2. And every pass he made the guy was wide open. He has to be able to throw into tight windows in the NFL. He looks awesome as an athlete tho. Tough call.
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Actually he is nothing like RG3 he has a full year in a pro offense and is much better now in the pocket then RG3 ever was.
Don’t bite the squid looking thing with hooks in it.
Most college QB’s run.
The skins HAVE to get another QB regardless of what Cousins does. Need competent backup QBs anyway (sorry not a Colt believer beyond a 1-2 game stint based on injury alone) and ideally an eventual starter. Need to create leverage and skins have yet to do so as long as Kirk’s been the starter. Im thinking they’ll draft one in the 1st 4 rounds vs going FA.
I sincerely hope the settle on the Kirk situation as soon as possible….Time to focus on the other parts of the team
Sudfield never had a chance…
He’d be better than Brock. He could be a little less than Foles at his best/most-developed. I think he could be serviceable but have yet to see something that makes him a lock to become a starter for anyone.
Walter, everything is going to be fine, turn that frown, upside down.
A lot of good players will be available at 13. If we do trade back…it will most likely be with a team that wants one of the QBs. Question will be if we end up doing that and the QB taken ends up good (like DeShaun Watson or Wentz) will we kick ourselves for not taking him?
I think the run on QB, RB, and WR in round 1 will be crazy.
I think if we decide to move on from Kirk of which will be well before the draft and NOT choose a QB in FA, Williams/Allen will select a QB with their 1st round pick
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SHOW ME THE MONEY
I’ll take a 1 and a 2
For them to move up
🙂 that changes things…
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Mason Rudolph grew up a #Redskins fan and his parents are friends with Joe Gibbs’ son. Rudolph called playing in Washington “a childhood dream.”
He looks like a Jay type QB.
mason, give it a few years….
Yes give it a few years and you will hate the Redskins just like Walter does.
i LOVE the redskins. that is why i am so pissed off and despondent about what they have become. all is not sunshine and roses, flounder.
That’s not a poem, right?
Yes I can see the love with every post you make.
so…. you’re pleased with the last 25 years? only someone who did not give a shit could be pleased. we are now a bottom-of-the-barrel type nfl franchise.
at least we’re not the browns. (i’m getting a t-shirt made that says that, to go along with my “winning off the field” t-shirt.)
Will your Winnie shirt have Eeyore on it?
Crying everyday doesn’t make it any better and they have become a middle of the pack team which is better than what they were for a bunch of years.
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ooohhh…. nice… snow.
Ok I just watched a 12 minute Highlight tape of Lamar Jackson on Youtube with some pretty bad hip hop as background music (that was very torturous for me),.,., anyways….he is fast as shit. Makes everyone else on the field look like slow motion. But if he runs like that in the NFL he’ll be dead in a season or 2. And every pass he made the guy was wide open. He has to be able to throw into tight windows in the NFL. He looks awesome as an athlete tho. Tough call.
He has played in a pro offense he runs like that in college out of necessity, he wouldn’t have to do that in the pros.
But damn is he fast. Jesus.
High school shooting down in Kentucky
Here’s a map of school shootings since Sandy Hook (as of April last year)
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No one lives in Wyoming … Seriously, all these maps really do is show you where people exist.
Everybody’s armed in Wyoming.
Everyone is armed in Texas and Oklahoma too.
I still find it interesting that Paul Pierce bailed on this team. He knew something.
Game!
Did he bail or did they just not want him anymore?
He did provide leadership.
the wizards are so vexing. they’ve got 3 home-grown max contract guys. that should be good, right? wall, i definitely, 100% worth the max deal. is beal? i think, maybe, probably. is porter? eeeehhh…. i don’t know. they’re probably “stuck” with those guys for years. they better make it work. i like oubre.
We need Boogie Cousins.
He and Wall could take the team all the way.
What are you willing to give up?
Everyone besides Wall.
I would give up Beal if necessary.
Wall might be worth a max deal but he isn’t a leader and this team has no veteran leadership.
Theremin lies your problem.
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Drop back to the late teens early 20s
Will Hernandez in the first
DaShawn Hand in the second
Poona or Deadrin in the third
Pass, take best defensive player available at 13
Take the best lineman at 13, offensive or defensive.
Edit: Preferably DT
Works for me.
Best OL at 13 better be fucking good.
The kid from ND would be nice.
Yeah
Nelson
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/951193726323486720
Yeah, he’s great.
If it’s Quenton Nelson, definitely. Otherwise DL
If you drop back in the first, there had better be 2 picks in the 2nd
Only way I would do it.
Michel won’t be there in the 2nd or 3rd
Guice is loose.
He will be their in the second.
That’s may be but I think he’s a reach at 13. There are other RBs we could draft
Not a big basketball guy but I think firing Brooks would be a mistake. The problem to me starts with the big contracts for under performing big men, not drafting at all to keep adding depth, and the slow pace to add a d-team for improving the roster.
That and John Wall probably needs to be slapped around a bit.
Does Ernie Grunfeld still work for the team if so their in lies your problem.
eye dew knot think wall is the problem.
Wall is not much of a leader that’s obvious. They can’t even have a team meeting properly.
Would you draft Sony Michel at 13?
Not at 13 no.
No way. 2nd our 3rd round.
I wouldn’t draft the kid from Penn State in the top 10 either, but someone will.
Negative. Hell yes in the 2nd
Yeah 2nd round no problem.
Is Hedley Lamar Jackson good? Anyone got a highlight reel?
Harrumph, can I get a harrumph????
Here you go!
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lamar+jackson+highlights
Very informative! That’s the best highlight reel I’ve seen of him, rolls everything into one!
lol
I’ve watched a good bit of Lamar Jackson tape now. He’s good. He isn’t what you might think. He’s a pocket passer – he doesn’t just do a “one look and go” thing aka Manziel and (unfortunately) RG3. He scans, keeps his head up, moves around the pocket, and usually scrambles as a last resort. He has a HC who’s a former NFL coach who runs alot of NFL concepts. Most of his rushing yardage looks like it came on designed runs, which will obviously have to stop in the NFL. His completion percentage (60%) is a bit deceiving because his WRs have a very high drop rate. He’s going to be a good NFL QB.
He played in a pro offense this year.
When you have a max deal in the NBA, what left is there to play for? Rings??? Not nowadays…all you gotta do is “join up” like lil’ beyotch!
Yeah the Porter deal was bad.
Otto Porter has a max deal. Otto freakin Porter
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Otto Porter?
“Hello! Is it three yo lookin fo?”
We need to drop a Deuce.
Make sure you spray.
How can a strength coach not catch heat when a team loses 20+ players? I know people get hurt, but damn dude.
Fair point…but gotta look at each individual injury. He can’t help bone breaks (Allen, Ioannidis, Thompson)
I’m not saying either way…..just…….damn.
Amusing banter this morning
Have to stir it up a little.
Scott Brooks is going to get fired.
Brooks was here.
the team is playing like a bunch of entitled shits who are not entitled to anything. something is clearly not working.
PLAY DEFENSE
That would go against everything Ted believes in.
He believes in losing?
No but he doesn’t fire coaches often and definitely not after 1 year.
Honestly he kinda deserves it though. His team lolligags every night and their 4th quarter offense is just dribble, dribble jack up a 3. it was the same way when he coached OKC
I don’t mind if the Redskins draft a kid in the 3rd or 4th round to develop into an eventual starter. A QB at #13 has all the pressure to start day 1, and from what I’m reading only one of these QB’s is NFL Day 1 ready, and then even still…
Draft a kid in the 3rd or 4th round….go defense first and maybe RB and roll with Colt for a few.
Lamar Jackson in the first, Mike White in the fourth. Book it!
npi, kelly,
you can not have a rational discussion with a guy who asserts, with 100% certainty, that the sky is yellow. it’s not the real world. they’re is know “there” their.
Ain’t often right, but he ain’t never been wrong?
thats stoopid and makes no cents i no the sky is blew and cant help you if you think dumb crap idots
– Flunder
Yes you also can’t have a rationale discussion with a guy who has his head so far up Kirks ass that he can’t see straight.
Fart? – ibot
Since you guys are discussing the worst skins coaches, here’s all coaches ranked by win/loss record. #1 is still one of the funniest sounding names of all time IMO.
Dudley DeGroot Record: 14 – 5 – 1 , 0.737
Ray Flaherty Record: 54 – 21 – 3 , 0.72
George Allen Record: 67 – 30 – 1 , 0.691
Joe Gibbs Record: 124 – 60 – 0 , 0.674
Dutch Bergman Record: 6 – 3 – 1 , 0.667
Vince Lombardi Record: 7 – 5 – 2 , 0.583
Dick Todd Record: 5 – 4 – 0 , 0.556
Lud Wray Record: 4 – 4 – 2 , 0.5
Lone Star Dietz Record: 11 – 11 – 2 , 0.5
John Whelchel Record: 3 – 3 – 1 , 0.5
Jack Pardee Record: 24 – 24 – 0 , 0.5
Marty Schottenheimer Record: 8 – 8 – 0 , 0.5
Turk Edwards Record: 16 – 18 – 1 , 0.471
Joe Gibbs Record: 30 – 34 – 0 , 0.469
Norv Turner Record: 49 – 59 – 1 , 0.454
Joe Kuharich Record: 26 – 32 – 2 , 0.448
Jay Gruden Record: 28 – 35 – 1 , 0.445
Otto Graham Record: 17 – 22 – 3 , 0.436
Curly Lambeau Record: 10 – 13 – 1 , 0.435
Bill Austin Record: 6 – 8 – 0 , 0.429
Steve Spurrier Record: 12 – 20 – 0 , 0.375
Jim Zorn Record: 12 – 20 – 0 , 0.375
Mike Shanahan Record: 24 – 40 – 0 , 0.375
Terry Robiskie Record: 1 – 2 – 0 , 0.333
Bill McPeak Record: 21 – 46 – 3 , 0.313
Richie Petitbon Record: 4 – 12 – 0 , 0.25
Eddie Casey Record: 2 – 8 – 1 , 0.2
Herman Ball Record: 4 – 16 – 0 , 0.2
Mike Nixon Record: 4 – 18 – 2 , 0.182
And notice that 3 of the bottom 10 were all in the 2000’s.
Gruden still trailing Norv? Ugh.
Zorn, Spurrier, and Shanny all with the same .375 percentage. smdh
In that light, I guess Gruden and near-mediocrity seem pretty good. smh
Where we gonna find the next Dudley DeGroot?
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Sudfeld and, for the most part, Jean-Francois had little to do with their team’s run to the Super Bowl…If that’s the case Jay Gruden is a Super Bowl winning coach. He has a ring from the Buccaneers when he was an assistant.
They had nothing to do with it.
You’re hung up on those two, eh?
HOF in AFL!
Voted in 2 years after retirement!
I understand why people wanted the Jags to win against the Pats. I definitely do.
BUT… now that the Eagles are in the SB, tell me you aren’t happy they have to beat Brady to get the ring?
It sucks that trading up for a QB worked for the Eagles. And that an ACL-tear of the young star didn’t cause a dysfunctional organization-wide meltdown. And that the Dolphins decided to operate as Philthy’s minor league team. And that their one-year prove-it-deal receiver worked out. And that somehow the New Foles started playing like Old Foles. Among other sucky things.
But… it’ll suck a lot less if the Pats win.
We be workin’ on that.
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I asked Mike White where he thinks he should be drafted, “My mindset, I should go No. 1 overall. That’s just the competitor I am.”
My MAN!!
Round 3-4.
That’s the kind of realistic confidence you need to know your why and succeed in the pros!
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Yuck
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Hope-he-speaks-in-jin-gle-tone.
(jingle tone)
So lets see the McNabb trade was not Shanny’s idea and the RG3 trade was not his idea. Yet he has admitted several times he had full roster control. So I guess only the good things that happened were his idea. Man when you look at it Shanny was a pussy. This is the same guy that got fired in Denver for the most part because he would not listen to his owner and fire his DC.
I’m going to start using this philosophy at work everything that’s bad is someone else fault all the good stuff was my idea.
Shanny wanted Cutler and did NOT want to pay Campbell. Mc5 was the only viable FA on the market. I didn’t want him and the consensus was that was a Snyder call.
Why would Shanny lobby to mortgage multiple picks for a dude when he was on record saying he liked Tannehill?
So basically Shanny had no power at all even after singing the richest coaches contract at the time. Got it Shanny had no say and did nothing.
Well he didn’t have more power than the man who owned the team.
Make sense?
The analogy in this case would be, your boss wants you to make important decision X, and if you don’t like it your only option is to suck it up or quit. Shanny let himself get run over instead of walking out the door.
Please Shanny has never been a pushover this is all crap to make up for his failures, but you can believe it if you want.
I hear him saying it, and I don’t hear anyone else with knowledge denying it. So yeah, I believe his uncontested account of this.
I gotta go take the baby to the doc. I like you Flounder, but it’s really hard to point out flaws with our front office (of which there are plenty) when you say that all the evidence is null and void because you don’t believe Mike Shanahan. Please don’t ask me to point out facts if you’re just going to say they aren’t facts, that’s a waste of time.
Catch y’all later.
Well come up with a new narrative besides it’s all Dan and BA’s fault that gets old.
It may get old, but that doesn’t make it less true.
You can believe what you want. Shanny had no say in anything.
Sun coming up gets old.
FAKE SUN!
Before you go comparing Baker Mayfield to Jay Gruden……”you’ll have to look at the tape”. Kirk Warner’s punk ass losing to Gruden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIhXQq8IbS8
Dissimilar.
Is Kotwica still on the coaching staff? Would love to see B Mitch as ST coordinator. Or maybe Rusty Tillman.
Kotwica pisses me off. We need to relieve him. I’ve seen enough of his sample. Flush that bum.
Coaches are all gonna stay. Gonna blame last year on injuries.
They haven’t mentioned anything yet.
Anything is possible but if you’re keeping Jay as your head coach and that appears to be the case then I don’t see them tagging Kirk. Jay has already said he is done with the one year deals and I don’t think he wants Kirk to stay anyway.
“…and that appears to be the case …”
I see what you did there.
Yeah can’t know for sure.
Case Keenum
He would have capitalized the C…….wait…….
Tagging Kirk is so dumb. Sign him or let him go. Time to move on. I think every fan wants a solution.
The only two people who would be okay with it are Kirk and his agent.
Unfortunately, under Snyder and Allen, the Redskins have a history of making decisions despite what the head coach wants. I don’t know (and neither do you) how much pull Gruden has with the front office, but it would not surprise me in the least if the team decided to do something Jay Gruden doesn’t like.
Really what decisions were those please tell and how you know this to be true?
We’ve been through this, but since you believe that everything Mike Shanahan has ever said is a lie, there’s no use discussing it.
Shanny already said he made the decisions you just don’t want to believe him because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Even his son said the RG3 trade was his idea. BA worked for Shanny.
Flunder why would Shanny say the multi-pick deal for Bobby3 was his idea when he was on record many times saying he liked other guys including but not limited to Tannehill.
You are wrong here.
His son said it was his decision and he was in charge of the roster.
This is old territory and a waste of time the FO’s haters use this stupid narrative all the time.
Do you listen to anything? Why are you asking me for evidence if you’re not going to read the evidence?
What evidence do you have? Mike Shannahan saying something that’s not evidence he is a known liar.
No use trying to explain something to a guy who already knows everything there is to know. Please continue to tell us who is lying and who is telling the truth, since you were there. Much appreciated.
Whatever his son said, MIKE SHANAHAN has said clearly, multiple times that he was opposed to the trade. How does that not register with you?
Yeah easy to say after you were fired, and we know how good he is at telling the truth.
What did he lie to you about?
Be specific.
He didn’t lie to me about anything. He lied about being the leak at the end of his tenure which he was.
Who was the leak, Flounder? Since you were there, and all.
And THAT is why I say that it’s not worth discussing, since you think Mike Shanahan is a liar.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Daddy said so?
aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnd there you have it!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/05/18/mike-shanahan-wants-you-to-know-that-the-rgiii-trade-wasnt-mike-shanahans-fault/?utm_term=.b5804bd99aaf
That article states in bold letters in the headline that Mike Shanahan didn’t want to do the RG3 trade.
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-rg3-mike-shanahan-trade-crazy-draft-dan-snyder-052116
That article says in bold letters in the headline that Mike Shanahan thought the RG3 trade was “crazy”.
But no, please cling to this idea that it was his idea.
Right again all going off Mike Shannahan saying so that’s not evidence my friend their are lots of stories of people saying they didn’t do something.
Lets stop because you will believe what you want and I will believe what I want.
Okay, who claims it WAS Shanahan’s idea?
Spurrier was the worst
Zorn was actually trying
Spurriers lips in slow motion! LOL
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Madden was the announcer on that right?
I think
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The Vikings likely will be letting two intriguing QB options hit the free agent market. The #Redskins will monitor the situation closely. https://buff.ly/2E32cAr
WOW. SCOOPAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well read it…he breaks down each situation.
Not likely definitely.
The all-seeing eye
Meh…
Jim Zorn was the worst Head Coach in our history? True or False?
False.
The man was undefeated at Texas Stadium!
I’ve never felt as hopeless as a fan as when he was coach. Spurrier was close but Zorn takes my vote as bottom of the barrel.
I’d agree, and also say Spurrier was a close second.
Of the head coaches in my lifetime, yes. But I’d hesitate to say “in our history”, because the Redskins sucked for literally decades at a time before Lombardi and then Allen rolled into town.
Good Point. I’d say in my 38 years of life.
In my lifetime, Richie Petibon was our best defensive coordinator and our worst head coach.
He had no chance.
No Gibbs to delegate and no Bethard magic as that was the advent of Free Agency.
No other teams had Gibbs, Bethard or free agency, either. Petibon’s one year as head coach is the only year in franchise history that we didn’t have anyone go to the pro bowl (since the pro bowl was a thing, anyway).
That’s why Gibbs left; he saw that all coming. Petibon was never going to be a long term head coach. Dude never had a chance and probably didn’t give a shit that he never had a chance. All that together equals a shit tenure. And he would still have been better than Spurrier.
Petibon shouldn’t have taken the job if he didn’t care that he wasn’t gonna be successful at it.
All these takes have truth in some form.
Zorn and Spurrier were so clueless. I think Petitbon was left with an aging roster. I think he could have done OK with the Gibbs hayday rosters.
He inherited a 9-7 team that had made the playoffs three years straight, won the super bowl two years before, didn’t have to deal with Dan Snyder’s mess and only manged to come up 4-12.
What did Zorn or Spurrier have to work with? They both averaged 6-10 seasons, which is 50% more wins than Richie.
I loved Petibon as a DC, but if you remember back, he was completely fucking clueless as a head coach.
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Crimson?
Maroon and Black!
My hat is red.
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Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Redskins tagged Kirk again this year, as they still don’t have a backup option in place. The Redskins are in the exact same position this year as they were in a year ago – I think it’s about 50/50 they handle it the exact same way.
You run the risk of losing the team when no one can plan for more than 1 season. Even Jay wants this year to year shit to end.
Agreed
No tags. Comp pick way I go. Ducks…
I am fine with that too.
Suck it up and move on. Keep swinging like the competition
Putting the exclusive tag on Kirk is the worst possible course of action, to me, as I stated at length last week; which, of course, means the Redskins will probably do it.
LOL yes
worse than cutting him, having the Giants pick him up and Cousins leads them to the NFCE crown and SB next year?
He will throw soul-crushing 4th quarter picks and then go cry on the bench.
hopefully if they do tag him they know something, and don’t just do it as a chess play without knowing Kirk’s move
Yes.
Lol
Unfortunately, Steve….
The obvious difference would be the extra $10 million they’d have to pay him, and also the fact they would not be able to tag him again next year. It would be insane, IMO.
Personally, I think it was insane to tag him a second time.
EDIT: To be clear – I think Cousins is an excellent QB – but not so great that the Redskins should have let his agent walk all over them for multiple years in a row.
insane? yes, of course. at least we’re not the browns.
…..wait………
zig,
that’s all i have left. we’re not as bad as the browns. i have been beaten down so thoroughly that that is my life raft: we’re not the freakin browns. it’s pathetic, i know. 25 years of ish will do that to a man.
It’s gonna be ok, Walter.
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Too many holes to draft a qb #1
If Jay sees someone he can coach up like he did Kurt, I will roll with that. But I agree, build that bully and keep our O and D lines stout.
Dilly dilly
Good read. But that last sentence…Eagles did trade up 6 spots for Wentz. He is pretty flashy…
There will be no trading up for Mr. Mayfield.
That depends a lot on his performance at the Senior Bowl, interviews, combine and Pro Day. A lot can happen between now and then.
We’re not trading up. Anywhere. For anybody.
You stole Flounder’s all-seeing eye
Ha ha !
Lols
Lol
Wentz is a solid QB, but he didn’t strike me as being a product of a massive hype machine in the way RG3 was.
Lotta Natl Championships and records. Even if lower Div in college.
The wins are a product of play. The hype around RG3 was insane.
I didnt know who RG3 was. I was in Wilson camp.
Ikr?
– SM
Didnt watch him much back then
M. Cassell had his best year in NFL in pass % the year Brady was out. Belichek would prob get the same out of Hoyer.. He drafted Garrapolo and Brissett and got nice returns. Skins have only themselves to blame for QB purgatory w no one in the hopper to make a run. Not sure Colt is the guy w or w/o Kirk.
Always easy to pick a QB when you already have a Super Bowl winner at the position.
I suppose. After RG3 exit Beathard and Gibbs would have done wheeled and dealed to make sure if #1 QB not there #2 ready to step in. And so on.
And that’s exactly what Jay did.
And if Kirk walks ? We need 2 Qbs not 1…sooner than later.
Then they draft one in round 1.
Gruden would love to draft a guy who could play like this guy. That would be Baker Mayfield. Same height & weight, roughly. Similar playing styles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBtOsvV5lcE
I’m not sold on Mayfield yet.
Me neither. But I’m talking about Jay. The similarities in their playing styles is spooky.
Not sure what you dont see. Competitor.
Agreed. A better Joe T.
See? We have a HOF coach.
Well that’s not true. First of all, Kirk “walking” is the Redskins decision to make. We also have Colt who can hold down the fort while a young player or FA is prepped to take the reigns….especially if we use the money saved to sign our draft picks and a FA or two who contribute in 2018.
I mean, you understand all this, right?
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT5LMQ8Cq1su3mP7Nu/giphy.gif
We have no choice right? Lol. I understand this. Not sure how far Colt can shoot
The only way the Redskins control the decision is if they’re willing to pony up and slap another tag on Kirk. Another possibility is that Kirk discovers the market is not that strong for his services at the price he wants to command. In that event, it’s possible that an LTD is inked, but his agent will drag it down to the wire.
I don’t think Colt is the guy. The Patriots really struck gold with Belichick and Brady’s careers coinciding the way they have. They are each the best in their generation at what they do, and having been paired up winning super bowls for goddamn near 20 years.
This is true, but it’s also the case that under BB the Pats have still won at about a 70% clip when Brady couldn’t play. I think they’d be able to do that with Colt just like they did with Cassel, et al.
Bill Belichick is a helluva coach. The Patriots have a great system and a solid team foundation.
The Redskins are simply not at that level yet. We can’t win at a 70% clip with our starter, much less our backup. The Redskins are where the Patriots were in the early 90s, before Bill Parcells came in and turned the franchise upside down.
Point is Belichek still plays the QB game. If Brady suddenly falls he has a solid backup plan in place.
If Kirk falls….Colt is the backup. How does Colt not know the scheme? He does. He might not set the world on fire, but he knows the offense.
And if you give him an elite RB and get our defense more talent, we will compete.
Until his replacement is found. Competing is better than dying.
No doubt.
By all accounts, Colt has this scheme down cold.
Right, he’s been here….. marinating.
Speaking in playoffs terms…how far can he go etc
That depends on more than just him. I don’t think anyone is saying that he gets the keys and deed.
I think Colt will be able to competently run this offense for a year or two while a rookie draft choice gets ready to take over.
With a better running game…which seems to be Jay’s “national debt”.
There are tons of good RBs in this draft class. They’d have to ignore defense in rounds 1 and 2, but hypothetically, they could possibly get, say, Lamar Jackson, at 13 in round 1 and then Jones from USC in round 2. Solves alot of problems.
Sure, but WILL he? What are the odds of that?
Will he what? Draft like that? Who knows. Run the ball if given a quality runner? I think he will, actually.
Yes, draft to that strategy.
If Cousins leaves for one reason or the other, in my view the team will essentially have no choice but to go QB in rd 1 or 2. As far as RB, they need one, for sure, but whether they try to get someone on Jones’ level is another question.
Exactly, “in your view”. In my view, draft a Falk type guy, draft a larger CT type guy, or draft a damn fullback. A coach that cannot adjust his scheme to the “doable”, is pissing in the wind, IMO.
Unfortunately, we’re trying to guess Jay’s view.
Doesn’t solve the problem with the defense
Again rewatch the last three games of the year
100 plus to the cardinals
175 plus to the cowboys
250 plus to the Giants
I understand that. As I said, they’d have to ignore defense, but there’s no doubt that they’ll need to draft a QB high in the draft if Cousins leaves, Colt or no Colt.
I’d look for one in the third or fourth round that they can develop
I wouldn’t. They’ll need to get a top of the draft one, IMO.
Ginas have our number when it comes to run blocking.
I agree
He won’t make it past week 8. He’ll be hurt .
http://i.imgur.com/b4tYepO.gifv
One way to sidestep the travel ban?
SHA-SHAM!!!!!!
One thing this article seemingly neglects is the SIGNIFICANT roster overhaul that occurred while Chip was there and after. Significant use of FA. When Chip left that team, that team had lost a significant amount of talent and had some horrible contracts on the books. Yet they were able to turn the roster significantly, make all the moves to secure their LT QB, and get from out of those contracts. I don’t care who the bleep you are, there is a lot to learn in there somewhere.
GANG TIES!
GANG TIES!
Roseman is a talented GM. He spent a lot of time on the numbers side of the job while Andy Reid was identifying the talent to go after. From what I can gather, when Kelly was ousted, Roseman was the guy that orchestrated putting the team back together. He did a hell of a job.
Facelift post by Hogs Haven. I actually like the sound of this.
https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/1/23/16922606/redskins-are-in-need-of-a-major-facelift
oops
Good article!
Didn’t even try to address to the dline.
Right now, the Redskins are a team without an identity. We are not an offensive passing juggernaut, fueled by a quarterback who can put a team on his back, and lift them to another level. We are certainly not a ground-and-pound offense, where we can impose our will on our opponents through the run game whenever we choose. No one in the league will mistake us for being a defensive-led team. Right now, we are not even a balance of any of these.
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Sure as fudge sounds like Cincinnati to me (except they had a decent defense).
An identity did begin to emerge, early on, on the defensive side of the ball. Injuries though…
The biggest problem on the team however, is that passionless, crossed eyed goober staring off into space on the sideline.
The cross-eyed buffoon!
Ziggy?
NFL refusing to publish an advertisement (in print) paid for by military veterans who encourage people to stand for our National Anthem.
NFL never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
What’s your source for that? I haven’t seen that story. The NFL is clearly intent on continuing to anger at least half the country.
Sporting News among other news sites we all know and love…….
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/super-bowl-52-2018-nfl-patriots-eagles-anthem-protests-ad-rejects-please-stand-news/9rzfn03r49z81r7q9l0e2akky
The NFL front office are cowards. They are terrified of picking a side, and in doing so, they’ve managed to make both sides mad. It takes a special kind of PR incompetence to accomplish that.
Pesky first amendment! Amirite?
“the Eagles starting quarterbacks have been Michael Vick, Nick Foles, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, Carson Wentz and Nick Foles again.”
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Thus proving that you aren’t doomed to wander 50 yrs. in the desert if you lose a QB.
The Redskins have made dumb decisions at QB more than anything. They drafted two QBs at the top of round 1 and both busted, they chased away a Pro Bowler in Brad Johnson for Jeff George, had a coach stake his reputation on John Beck, traded for a washed up ground ball thrower, and now seem intent on chasing away a QB who’s basically third or better in every major Redskins QB record.
So you want to pay him at the level of a Matt Stafford?
Is that what you are saying?
Yes or no?
Because that’s what he’s going to get.
So, yes or no?
My view is in my column from last week.
I am responding to what you just posted.
You can’t offer a simple yes or no to my very simple question?
What I wrote last week is that I’d do 5 years/$159M under the structure I posted. That’s the max I’d do for Cousins this year.
So then no.
Just say it.
No.
Because, what you suggest won’t ever get KC to stay here.
I disagree. I think that contract will get Cousins to sign. Perhaps I’m wrong. We’ll see. Or not.
By the way, I’m working on effectiveness of shotgun runs vs runs from center. Not sure if I will be able to really get there, but it’s interesting enough to look.
I’d never pay him $31 mil a year…
Can’t argue with that.
Just going to say…
it’s 2018.
Been saying this. Being held hostage by the QB position…is hurting this team.
…among other things. Our abysmal FA d line and Safety hasn’t helped either. Having a guy like Joe Barry running anything, not being able to decide between Bruce and Scot, bad high round picks with guys like Doctson, Cravens, RGIII… I mean, there are so many things wrong…
I’m still holding out hope for Doctson.
…I’m sure he’ll be decent. But he doesn’t show any signs of being a first round talent.
A few flashes. He’s a kid, though, may take a while to get that consistency.
He makes some good points in this column. The other side of the coin is that while the Eagles have been more or less consistently good for the stated reasons, they’ve never won a Super Bowl.
Will remain 0-fer.
Nervous part about that is they are in the SB. Slim chance vs the Force but if they win…more gut punch to Skins fans
Lets not forget these guys signed Chase Daniels to a 3 year 21mil contract to be a backup.
And then they lucked out when MN lost TeddyB, which allowed them to get out from under Chip’s Bradford deal.
Not to be repetitive, but I hate the fact that the freakin’ Dolphins bailed Philly out. They took Chip’s terrible Byron Maxwell contract, and took Kiko Alonso off their hands, AND allowed Philly to move up 5 spots in the first round, which allowed Philly to move up farther and acquire Wentz. And as though that wasn’t enough, the idiot Dolphins then turned around and traded Jay Ajayi to Philly for a measly 4th round pick.
The Dolphins have been a train wreck since the turn of the century. They’re a team with no identity other than “we used to have Marino, and we went undefeated in ’72”.
Very true. It just burns my ass that they always end up playing patsy to Roseman. It’s like the Eagles have a football team and then another one they use for spare parts.
Feeder club
I take full credit for Case Keenum’s success.
– Jeff Fisher
Zimmer took over a 5-10-1 team. Lost 1st rd QB for 2 years. 1st rd pick WR Treadwell in ’16 a no show for 2 years. No 1st round pick in ’17. 2nd rd pick Cook out for the year.
Marrone goes 3-13 to AFC Champ game in 1 year. Coaches do matter. Pederson has a lot to work w but still the SB is a big leap.
Coaching does matter.
Not sold 100% on ours.
I’d be happy just to be competitive in the division. A championship run is a pipe dream. One I don’t much entertain so long as Jay is the HC.
Also, and this is no joke…..ALL of these recent write ups have been better than anything the Post has done (except for the Bullock stuff). So good job on that.
No doubt way better content here.
Agreed. Plus, Bullock does “on field” only, generally.
Skins are mediocre as well, and it’s easier to make the trip from mediocre to playoffs than from abysmal to playoffs. The NFC East also has had a different team win it every year since at least 2011.
The Eagles got lucky we will see how they handle the huge cap issues they will have next year.
Rams and SF got lucky too. Lot of competition in the NFC luck or not really
Good write up.
Actually they made some really stupid QB decisions and then they got bailed out by other teams needing a QB. They also traded almost as much as we did for RG3 to get Wentz and so far it’s worked out. They have been more lucky then good.
They will also have major cap issues next year.
Jax Philly NE were #1 2 and 3 in redzone scoring in ’17. Minny was 13th. Regardless of defense you arent going anywhere meaningful if you cant score 7s above a 60% clip consistently.
Round 1 Pick 21 (BUF): DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama (B+)
Round 2 Pick 12: Billy Price, C/OG, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 20 (BALT): Marcus Allen, FS, Penn State (A)
Round 2 Pick 22 (K.C.): Luke Falk, QB, Washington State (B)
Round 3 Pick 14: Jalyn Holmes, DE, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 22 (K.C.): Josey Jewell, ILB, Iowa (A)
Round 3 Pick 31 (BUF): Simmie Cobbs Jr., WR, Indiana (A+)
Round 4 Pick 13: Anthony Averett, CB, Alabama (A+)
Round 4 Pick 21 (BUF): Jaylen Samuels, RB/WR, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Deontay Burnett, WR, Southern California (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Chase Edmonds, RB, Fordham (C-)
Round 7 Pick 13: Deadrin Senat, DT, South Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Adam Breneman, TE, Massachusetts (A+)
What flashy player have we went after recently?
I think you mean Gruden and Williams.
We have never rebuilt this team.
Firts.
– Flunder